Just got this e-mail.

[ReverseSensing]

Hiring mins are a function of management. Why should management even discuss ALPA having a say?

All functions of running an airline are functions of management, but unions have a say in plenty of them. Everything has a price tag and can ultimately be bargained for. It's simply a question of what it's worth.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

All functions of running an airline are functions of management, but unions have a say in plenty of them. Everything has a price tag and can ultimately be bargained for. It's simply a question of what it's worth.

Agreed. First managment has to agree to bargain for ALPA influencing hiring mins. Then they have to barter. How much is it worth? And really, what would ALPA or the pilots get in return...

The way to increase hiring mins is raise first year pay.

I'm not sure how ALPA raising hiring mins fixes the problem. First.. what is the problem with hiring mins? The guys can't fly? Or they don't understand the anculliary dynamics of SJS?

 

[8HourPilot]

Got me, well played.

My ability to quote paragraphs is surpassed only by your ability to spell "paprgraphs"

Clicked the quote link just like always. What you see is what got displayed, beats me what happened.

You can call my TT whatever you like. Soloed 1974, "Commuter" pilot 1981-1985, Current "Legacy" Carrier 1985 to present.

No grandkids yet.

Nice try though.

 

[mac36]

Got me, well played.

Not bad for a geezer anyway.

I was pretty sure it was a typo, but you have to jump on the easy ones at this age.

Best,
Mac36

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Not bad for a geezer anyway.

I was pretty sure it was a typo, but you have to jump on the easy ones at this age.

Best,
Mac36

Both typos and women right? imp:

 

[AvroJockey]

testy

 

[Goose Egg]

It's a simple case of dislike for those who have had a relatively easy 'path' to airline industry than you and I did.

I wouldn't exactly call an extra $20k an "easy path," especially when you could get a job somewhere else and get the training for free.

As for as 'pay for training', anyone EVER, who didn't come through the military, PAID FOR TRAINING. When you've paid so much to get the CAX ME, CFI, etc., why not pay little more, if you could afford, and 'get in' quicker?

The problem is that if you are buying your training, you are a customer of the flight school. They profit from selling you flight training, and you profit from receiving it. In a PFT outfit, on the other hand, the company is profiting from you paying for flight training and the revenue you help to generate by flying people or property for hire, and that just isn't right--You may profit from receiving flight training and experience, but you don't profit from the work that you do producing revenue by flying persons and property. It may look like a shortcut in the short run, but... well, I've come to looking at it like this: Flight time that you didn't pay for is like money in the bank. Well, not like money in the bank, it is money in the bank! You are "saving up" the ability to get a higher paying job in the future, whereas if you PFT, you are inhibiting your ability to earn money in the future because you have this now larger sum of money to pay back, and forgoing money that you could have earned by getting a non-PFT job.

How many of you on this board bought ME time?

I paid for exactly 6.7 hours of multi-engine time, just enough to get my commercial multi-engine. And you know, it hasn't really slowed me down that much. I was able to go to the airline that I wanted to go to because I had over 1000 hours and 100 multi engine. I paid my dues, at least for that level.

Would you buy 100 ME if it guarantees you A320 flying?

No. You can keep your A320s.

-Goose

 

[COOPERVANE]

To the Generation Y, "ME, NOW" members:

What If YOU spent 10 years of your life becoming a doctor, sacrificing family and social life, working 36 hour shifts during your residency while gaining valuable experience and some piece of $HIT came out of a "fastrack" 2 year medical school and pranced around in his new $400 lab coat with his $1000 gold plated stethoscope.

Said "doctor" insists that he is a REAL doctor even though he never really studied for his online courses and demands RESPECT because the school told him he was a doctor. Hell, it's soo cool being a doctor he does it for half of what traditional doctors make!!

Now I'm not comparing pilots to doctors, but some of these guys sacrificed a lot to enter this career, and you will have to pardon them if they view these smarmy, cocky rote-memorizing no-nothings we are about to see descend upon us with a bit of dislike.

Are they jealous?.....no.... only a rich kid would think that

But live and let live is what you would say right?

 

[spitfire1500]

So, are we jealous of those people who might be able to put finances together which you couldn't?

And your reference of 'old fashion', does that mean you should be given a priority over those who could didn't have to make $8/hour as CFIs? Huh.

Bunny

Jealous of what...not being dumb enough to throw away $19,990.....got news for ya you can go and get the full type rating for less than that and I am sure Pinnacle would jump to get you with that qual!!

 

[The_Russian]

To the Generation Y, "ME, NOW" members:

What If YOU spent 10 years of your life becoming a doctor, sacrificing family and social life, working 36 hour shifts during your residency while gaining valuable experience and some piece of $HIT came out of a "fastrack" 2 year medical school and pranced around in his new $400 lab coat with his $1000 gold plated stethoscope.

Said "doctor" insists that he is a REAL doctor even though he never really studied for his online courses and demands RESPECT because the school told him he was a doctor. Hell, it's soo cool being a doctor he does it for half of what traditional doctors make!!

That attitude is spread equally amongst all pilot groups from every avenue of training. I know plenty of guys from GIA who are humble and cool as heck. To me, it is not a problem of training route so much as how the kid was raised by his or her parents.

Ruskie

 

[T-prop]

Great, yet another pilot puppy farm.

 

[TurboAWD]

And your reference of 'old fashion', does that mean you should be given a priority over those who could didn't have to make $8/hour as CFIs? Huh.

Bunny

I'm not quite sure that was written in English, but I'll have a few comments.

1) I don't know where instructors make $8/hr, but they should find a better place to teach.

2) I made more as an instructor than I did as a first year CRJ FO.

3). If you don't understand the value of giving 500 hours of instruction (or other commercial flying) and then getting hired at an airline, perhaps you lack the maturity that this profession demands.

Turbo

 

[Turtlesfly]

Regional Airline Academy, another pilot factory, started at $8/hour when I was considering it in 2001.

 

[TurboAWD]

In 2001 I was making $15/hr instructing, and I know guys that were making $20+ health and 401k.

I would think these days CFI's would have some leverage.

Turbo