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[rajflyboy]

Exactly. The new slogan should be "We do more with less." And gun, why aren't you fatiguing if you are thinking about it? You are either fatigued or you aren't? Just wondering as I sit on the sidelines unemployed.

You can't fatigue now or else you risk losing a sick day

 

[CRJFlyer]

Exactly. The new slogan should be "We do more with less." And gun, why aren't you fatiguing if you are thinking about it? You are either fatigued or you aren't? Just wondering as I sit on the sidelines unemployed.

wonder how much the OT rate is for a Falcon captain? may explain a few things......

More with less. I think a "few" of us predicted that. Half a year later the union addressed it a little bit.

 

[Jack Campbell]

So let me get this straight. Company schedules crew to duty that may compromise safety. Crew makes the decision to fatigue. Crewmember is punished by being charged a sick day for making a professional call. Has that changed since January 15th?

 

[CA1900]

You can't fatigue now or else you risk losing a sick day

What are you talking about? I just fatigued a couple of weeks ago; it's a non-issue, as it should be.

The only "penalty" is spending two minutes filling out a little survey on the Blackberry to (supposedly) help them figure out why you fatigued. Although I'd prefer it if I could just type my answer: "Because you can't shift me from night shift to early mornings in one day!"

 

[rajflyboy]

What are you talking about? I just fatigued a couple of weeks ago; it's a non-issue, as it should be.

The only "penalty" is spending two minutes filling out a little survey on the Blackberry to (supposedly) help them figure out why you fatigued. Although I'd prefer it if I could just type my answer: "Because you can't shift me from night shift to early mornings in one day!"

If you don't do the report in the required time you lose sick time.

This absolutely should not be tied to losing a sick day. Thats just pure wrong. There is nothing to even argue about.

 

[ozpilot]

rajflyboy

You only lose sick time if you don't spend 2 minutes filling in the report and even then its only half a day.

I wonder how we are supposed to use the other half day

I do think the reporting requirement could be a lot simpler. The first question asked should be "Are you fatiguing due to unrealistic scheduling?". If you answer yes the system should extract your last 3 duty day times from IjetII and attach them to the report. Done.

If not, then ask me all the other questions.

I suspect at least 90% of all reports fall into the first category.

Don't let the reporting requirement stop you from calling fatigued!

Hmmm .. risk dying in a fiery crash or call it a day, go to the hotel, get a good nights rest and spend 2 minutes filling in a report.

No brainer to me.

 

[gunfyter]

Exactly. The new slogan should be "We do more with less." And gun, why aren't you fatiguing if you are thinking about it? You are either fatigued or you aren't? Just wondering as I sit on the sidelines unemployed.

I didn't say i was thinking about fatiguing.... But i expect i would have been if i were on a more than 4 day tour.

I said i was working hard and predicted if the pace continues there will be fatigues.

 

[CA1900]

If you don't do the report in the required time you lose sick time.

This absolutely should not be tied to losing a sick day. Thats just pure wrong.

I don't disagree, but it's in black-and-white as part of the contract to which we agreed. They hold up their end of the bargain by giving me a safety option with no consequences. I hold up my end by filling out their little report. I do it on duty, within three days of the event. Not a big deal, truly.

I think the report is pointless because they still don't seem to be learning anything, but it's a small tradeoff. Certainly a lot better than the options I've had at other jobs. ("Fatigued? Are you calling in sick, then?" Followed by, "That makes two occurrences already this year; one more and you're fired.")

I do like ozpilot's idea of automating the report, though.

 

[rajflyboy]

I don't disagree, but it's in black-and-white as part of the contract to which we agreed. They hold up their end of the bargain by giving me a safety option with no consequences. I hold up my end by filling out their little report. I do it on duty, within three days of the event. Not a big deal, truly.

I think the report is pointless because they still don't seem to be learning anything, but it's a small tradeoff. Certainly a lot better than the options I've had at other jobs. ("Fatigued? Are you calling in sick, then?" Followed by, "That makes two occurrences already this year; one more and you're fired.")

I do like ozpilot's idea of automating the report, though.

another reason why this requirement really is a farse

 

[bluepost]

Maybe the reports don't show a pattern, that is good....stuff happens, stress, noisy hotel one night, etc. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be reports....if the reports start showing the reason is consistently a specific noisy hotel, now they have hard data to act on.

The idea that you "risk" a sick day because you have to fill out a report (I would be surprised if it takes 1 min) is absurd. It kills me how the best fatigue policy in the entire aviation industry, and the only one written in a union contract providing complete protection, comes under attack.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Maybe the reports don't show a pattern, that is good....stuff happens, stress, noisy hotel one night, etc. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be reports....if the reports start showing the reason is consistently a specific noisy hotel, now they have hard data to act on.

The idea that you "risk" a sick day because you have to fill out a report (I would be surprised if it takes 1 min) is absurd. It kills me how the best fatigue policy in the entire aviation industry, and the only one written in a union contract providing complete protection, comes under attack.

Winner, winner. Chicken dinner.

 

[rajflyboy]

Maybe the reports don't show a pattern, that is good....stuff happens, stress, noisy hotel one night, etc. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be reports....if the reports start showing the reason is consistently a specific noisy hotel, now they have hard data to act on.

The idea that you "risk" a sick day because you have to fill out a report (I would be surprised if it takes 1 min) is absurd. It kills me how the best fatigue policy in the entire aviation industry, and the only one written in a union contract providing complete protection, comes under attack.

It could have been but its certainly not with this requirment. There was no reason to give this away in the contract.

Its just another example of the contract being widdled away one small thing at a time over several years. Unfortunately no one is trying to fix the mistakes that were made. The train is slowly coming off the tracks piece by piece.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Winner, winner. Chicken dinner.

Hey... quit using my line! I stole that from someone else around here and haven't relinquished copy rights at this time.

imp:

 

[Jack Campbell]

There needs to be a unified effort by the Pilots to send the message to the Company with these reports. It reads "Company unrealistically scheduled me to a point where I would be irresponsible to safely accept the trip as a professional pilot, so I fatigued." Period. End of story. If they get that message 1,000 times in a year, perhaps they will get the hint.

 

[brokeflyer]

If they get that message 1,000 times in a year, perhaps they will get the hint.

hahaha.....you think that?


you must be new here.

Safety is their number one concern.....as long as it dont interfer with scheduling