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jball2

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Ok folks, I thought we were past this but please treat jumpseaters and non-revs professionally. Just heard a story of an AAI pilot taking his frustrations out on two of our commuters today. I know it can come from both sides so for the sake of sanity, on both sides, please knock it off. Commuting sucks enough as it is without this kind of behavior.
Thanks!
 
Not professional......Unnacceptable......
 
Ok folks, I thought we were past this but please treat jumpseaters and non-revs professionally. Just heard a story of an AAI pilot taking his frustrations out on two of our commuters today. I know it can come from both sides so for the sake of sanity, on both sides, please knock it off. Commuting sucks enough as it is without this kind of behavior.
Thanks!

I agree with you 100%. Our jumpseat committee chairman is livid about this and he will, I expect, work with your jumpseat committee chairman to get to the bottom of this ASAP!

Anything that happens from the AAI side in terms of any pilots trying to get to work on our planes should be all positive--You're right...nobody should want to go down that other road.

Steelers won...life is good!
 
I've chatted with the AAI JS chair and I believe the affected party turned it over to ours. I am sure they will work it out. Like I said before, it can happen on both sides we just need to police our own. If this nonsense ever happens on one of our planes, let me know and I'll get it to our JS chair. Thanks for your professionalism folks. We are all on the same team now! Welcome to the family!
 
The Dickhead Captain from AAI is Tim Newman. Someone needs to inform MR. Newman that ******************** like this will not be tolerated..
 
Well now. Since we know who he is and he knows that we know. Let's give him a chance to apologize and then we can all move on along. Tempers have been hot around here, and they will continue to be for some time. However, I think we should all get 1 chance to say "I was wrong". I know I have been wrong and appreciate the fact that some on here and other places have forgiven me. Let's not throw stones but try the best we can to make this work.

Baker
 
Well now. Since we know who he is and he knows that we know. Let's give him a chance to apologize and then we can all move on along. Tempers have been hot around here, and they will continue to be for some time. However, I think we should all get 1 chance to say "I was wrong". I know I have been wrong and appreciate the fact that some on here and other places have forgiven me. Let's not throw stones but try the best we can to make this work.

Baker

+1 Bake
I've been there and redemption isn't hard to come by when we man up and own it.

As for tempers "will continue for some time"
Please explain that- to me- it's done- the whole thing- AT pilots will be swa pilots will be treated exactly as I'd treat any of my family.
Any extension of this drama or inability to let this go is weird to me
 
The Dickhead Captain from AAI is Tim Newman. Someone needs to inform MR. Newman that ******************** like this will not be tolerated..


Hello Newman, well hello Jerry :)


Not hard name to remember :)


Every AT pilot I have meet have been very nice and outgoing.
 
+1 Bake
I've been there and redemption isn't hard to come by when we man up and own it.

As for tempers "will continue for some time"
Please explain that- to me- it's done- the whole thing- AT pilots will be swa pilots will be treated exactly as I'd treat any of my family.
Any extension of this drama or inability to let this go is weird to me

Easy for Wave to say....."Yeah, it's done, let's move on"

As if you suffered some throughout this SLI. Hard to explain to guys who have had a lot ripped away from them.

It sounds all warm and fuzzy but next time, just hit "DELETE" in the upper right hand corner of your keyboard when you are going to post your BS.
 
Easy for Wave to say....."Yeah, it's done, let's move on"

As if you suffered some throughout this SLI. Hard to explain to guys who have had a lot ripped away from them.

It sounds all warm and fuzzy but next time, just hit "DELETE" in the upper right hand corner of your keyboard when you are going to post your BS.

Gains and pains on both sides. But at some point in time guys and gals need to sack up and get over it. It's done.
 
It seems like some of you assume you have the RIGHT to jumpseat. Its not a right, its a PRIVILEGE. And if an individual Capt doesn't want you on the jumpseat for whatever reason, you're out of luck.

Just say thank you and head for the next flight to where ever you're going.
 
It seems like some of you assume you have the RIGHT to jumpseat. Its not a right, its a PRIVILEGE. And if an individual Capt doesn't want you on the jumpseat for whatever reason, you're out of luck.

Just say thank you and head for the next flight to where ever you're going.

I agree but why to I have to say "thank you?" Can't I just take my sht and head on my way without disingenuous pleasantries?
 
It seems like some of you assume you have the RIGHT to jumpseat. Its not a right, its a PRIVILEGE. And if an individual Capt doesn't want you on the jumpseat for whatever reason, you're out of luck.

Just say thank you and head for the next flight to where ever you're going.

That's somewhat true, but not reportedly the case here. If a CA doesn't want you on the jumpseat for whatever reason, a pilot requesting a jumpseat is out of luck like Fubi says. And there certainly may be valid reasons not to have a jumpseater on the flightdeck with you. Riding in the back is different, althouth I suppose you might make a case that you don't want a jumpseater in the back for some other reason, even if it's personal. However, that's generally gonna' be a weaker argument, when your buds wonder why you're making their airline look bad.

In any case, that's not what happened here. If the CA didn't want them (there was two of them) to jumpseat up front or in the back, he could have said so. He apparently didn't have a reason to say no, and in fact, granted the request, and let them ride. But he then took the opportunity to lambast them about his displeasure with how the SLI went. First in person face to face, and then over the PA when they were leaving. While he does have the right to decide whether to grant or not grant the jumpseat privilege, he does NOT have the right to use that opportunity to verbally berate another pilot. I'm pretty sure that's not in either the written or unwritten rulebooks. That's unprofessional and makes ALL of us in the industry look small and petty.

Hopefully, the pilot involved has cooled off and thought better about the situation. I believe the two JS coordinators are talking about this and cooler heads will prevail. An isolated situation (as it's been pointed out--there've been hotheads on both sides) shouldn't, and ultimately won't, define this "marriage."

Bubba
 
It seems like some of you assume you have the RIGHT to jumpseat. Its not a right, its a PRIVILEGE. And if an individual Capt doesn't want you on the jumpseat for whatever reason, you're out of luck.

Just say thank you and head for the next flight to where ever you're going.

That may be true, but is certainly not how we do things at Southwest. I'm thinking Newman is going to have a hard time fitting in.
 
It seems like some of you assume you have the RIGHT to jumpseat. Its not a right, its a PRIVILEGE. And if an individual Capt doesn't want you on the jumpseat for whatever reason, you're out of luck.

Just say thank you and head for the next flight to where ever you're going.

Actually FJ - they were not even jumpseating - plenty of seats so they were non-reving. Just like DL-NW blended non-rev together before becoming one airline, SW can list and non-rev on AAI flights just like one of their employees and vice versa. Priority is after all own airline employees and before all other offline, buddy pass etc.

So, Fubijaaker - what say you now? If an individual Capatain doesn't want you in a cabin seat on his flight "for whatever reason" - like he doesn't like your uniform - is that ok? We're still out of luck?

I'll just say thank you in advance for you wisdom in your response to this scenario .... thank you.
 
Looks like Mr Newman is our "Uncle Larry" who gets drunk at the family function, licks the ice sculpture and fondles the dog. Sorry for those that had to deal with him. I thought we were all professionals here. SWA pilots have been more than courteous when I've asked for permission to ride the JS and those SWA pilots I've carried on mine have been more than gracious for the ride. SLI is water under the bridge. Let's all move on and play well together. It's nice to be important but more important to be nice.
 
No, I was just referring to the cockpit jumpseat. A jumpseat request that is issued a cabin seat makes you just another non-rev in my book.
 
Looks like Mr XXXXXX is our "Uncle Larry" who gets drunk at the family function, licks the ice sculpture and fondles the dog. Sorry for those that had to deal with him. I thought we were all professionals here. SWA pilots have been more than courteous when I've asked for permission to ride the JS and those SWA pilots I've carried on mine have been more than gracious for the ride. SLI is water under the bridge. Let's all move on and play well together. It's nice to be important but more important to be nice.

Long time, no talk! The Uncle Larry reference was great--usually at my family gatherings, it's Uncle Bill, but I digress.

While I agree with most everything that AAI and SWA pilots have said on the issue, but I do NOT think it's appropriate to call the pilot out by name on FLIGHTINFO...our own SWAPA/ATN forums?--Sure, but not here.

I thought that the nameless part of this forum was standard procedure. Once again, not condoning negative behavior towards commuters +/or jumpseaters.

Like I said a few months ago, my experiences with SWA commuting pilots has been great this whole time, and I look forward to working with you all.
 
Just another perk of an unmoderated website.
 
No, I was just referring to the cockpit jumpseat. A jumpseat request that is issued a cabin seat makes you just another non-rev in my book.

OK. Maybe you should re-read the first post in this thread by jball then. He never said they were cockpit jumpseaters - I believe "commuting" pilots were his words. Perhaps you should read twice before dishing out advice in BIG letters .....
 
The Dickhead Captain from AAI is Tim Newman. Someone needs to inform MR. Newman that ******************** like this will not be tolerated..

Not condoning his actions, but I have flown with this captain many times and know that he is a good guy in and out of the cockpit. I am sure whatever he did was not a good example of his true character. FWIW
 
As a WN captain I'll say this to the AirTran crewmembers - "my" airplane is your airplane. We're all family now and I will treat you as such.

Gup
 
It seems like some of you assume you have the RIGHT to jumpseat. Its not a right, its a PRIVILEGE. And if an individual Capt doesn't want you on the jumpseat for whatever reason, you're out of luck.

Just say thank you and head for the next flight to where ever you're going.

While I understand what you are saying, I have refined my position on this to.... Non Reving and jumpseating are an earned right. As far as the jumpseat goes, every airline has given pilots at my airline at one time or another a jumpseat so I feel obligated (not that I even remotely mind having a jumpseater) to extend the courtesy. I would never dream of denying someone unless they some acted extremely rude or gave a reason to deny him. In other words, I feel I owe it to the jumpseater unless he gives a reason to deny him, THAN it would be a privilege that could be denied. But I think reciprocal jumpseat rights are, in fact, a right.
 
Long time, no talk! The Uncle Larry reference was great--usually at my family gatherings, it's Uncle Bill, but I digress.

While I agree with most everything that AAI and SWA pilots have said on the issue, but I do NOT think it's appropriate to call the pilot out by name on FLIGHTINFO...our own SWAPA/ATN forums?--Sure, but not here.

I thought that the nameless part of this forum was standard procedure. Once again, not condoning negative behavior towards commuters +/or jumpseaters.

Like I said a few months ago, my experiences with SWA commuting pilots has been great this whole time, and I look forward to working with you all.

You make a good point, I will never refer to Tim Newman by his real name of Tim Newman again on FI.

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