Judge Wake's proposed injunction

[surfnfly]

Let's see how many times any joint contract that includes the Nic get's voted down. My guess +10 . IF and I say If the pay rates do go to LOA84 a joint contract will never be voted in. Judge Wake's remedy does not specify how long the process can drag on so my guess seperate ops until the next merger. East bid 9-04 just out increase in 330 flying.

 

[TWA Dude]

Let's see how many times any joint contract that includes the Nic get's voted down.

What's your point? Seriously. It seems what you're really saying is, "USAPA is guilty of violating their DFR of the West but just watch how they can get around the courts and continue screwing the West." This is something you're proud of?

 

[PropPiedmont]

OMG....

Mark this date.....We actually agree on something general. WOW...

Net

Make that two of us.

 

[johnnyb]

Wouldn't it be fun to watch if Parker grew the West and your deliberate seperate ops bites you in the tuchus. I don't know what the future holds but I'll bet a policy of 'seperate ops forever' will ultimately hurt you more than it helps.

I'll take that bet ...

Through the first four months of the year, passenger traffic at Sky Harbor is down a staggering 9.9 percent. On a per-day basis, that’s 11,607 fewer passengers through the first 120 days of 2009.

http://phoenix.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2009/06/08/daily11.html

 

[Carl S.]

The price for F/O's is irrelevent to vote yes! It will be West pilots and East Captains that vote yes on a contract with Nic. in it! The days of the "Angry F/O Club from Cranberry" will end with the first contempt of court violation by USAPA for not following the injuction. Reality will settle in, just watch the process play out. Damages for plantiffs and Class to follow this August,get your check books ready!

 

[TWA Dude]

I'll take that bet

Okay, you're on. Looking foward to reading about all the growth on the East...

 

[Metrojet]

Guess you've never seen contract negotiations before. If a TA is voted down the parties return to negotiations and try again. And you get to enjoy LOA93 a while longer.

There is one good thing to enjoy from LOA 93 - two $35 million dollar payments to the East Pilots on 01Jan10 and 01Jan11.

But, in the interest of ALL - i would vote to put the $35 million into a strike fund - but of course with the caveat that those out West would honor a picket line?????????? Whaddya think the chances of that happening?

Metrojet

 

[TWA Dude]

There is one good thing to enjoy from LOA 93 - two $35 million dollar payments to the East Pilots on 01Jan10 and 01Jan11.

Enjoy.

But, in the interest of ALL - i would vote to put the $35 million into a strike fund - but of course with the caveat that those out West would honor a picket line?????????? Whaddya think the chances of that happening?

I think the chance of an actual strike is near zero.

 

[MCDU]

There is one good thing to enjoy from LOA 93 - two $35 million dollar payments to the East Pilots on 01Jan10 and 01Jan11.

But, in the interest of ALL - i would vote to put the $35 million into a strike fund - but of course with the caveat that those out West would honor a picket line?????????? Whaddya think the chances of that happening?

Metrojet

Well, we all know what pilot group had pilots that actually crossed . It would not surprise me at all that Westies would cross again. History does repeat itself.

M

 

[get2flyin]

Well, we all know what pilot group had pilots that actually crossed . It would not surprise me at all that Westies would cross again. History does repeat itself.

M

Cross the picket line of an organization whose goal is to achieve any and all advancements at the expense of West pilots? An organization that supposedly represents the West pilots equally but doesn't have ANY West pilots in its leadership structure? USAPA is a sham union whose soul purpose is the transfer of West pilot jobs and assets to East pilots while hiding under the mantle of being the "elected bargaining agent". While the West has a number of Continental pilots who wouldn't cross and subsequently started over at AWA and won't cross a line on if you drew it with chalk, explaining the benefit of not crossing a USAPA line to the majority of West pilots is going to be a tough (*but not impossible) sell.

 

[General Lee]

OMG....

Mark this date.....We actually agree on something general. WOW...

Net

We also probably agree that Rockford, IL at 2am sucks!

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[B-atch]

I guess I will make more money than you until hell freezes over.

Enjoy those LOA wages and keep dreaming of snapbacks.

I am surprised to see that the West has failed to realize that by keeping the East on a lower pay scale, will only guarantee the transfer of flying to the lowest cost contract. Don't you guys get it!! LOA 93 is affecting the West as well. Its airline management 101 the flying goes to the lowest cost unit!!
I remember in the 90s, when AA purchased Reno Air, the APA demanded the immediate inclusion of the Reno pilots on to their contract and pay scales. This reassured that AMR would not use a lower cost entity to move their west traffic.
I predict that the longer LOA93 lingers, the further migration of flying from West to East will continue.
Don't you west guys get it!! LOA93 is hurting you alike!! You will loose flying to the EAST!!!

 

[samballs]

We also probably agree that Rockford, IL at 2am sucks!

Bye Bye--General Lee

Does it really matter what time of day it is in RFD, A hole is a hole.

 

[Sandhawk]

Don't you west guys get it!! LOA93 is hurting you alike!! You will loose flying to the EAST!!!

Maybe we should tighten up our flying, so we don't loose anymore!!


imp:

 

[Cowboy75]

I am surprised to see that the West has failed to realize that by keeping the East on a lower pay scale, will only guarantee the transfer of flying to the lowest cost contract.

If they wan't to stand in the corner with their arms folded and stew about an arbitrated decision while passing up on a pay raise, so be it. As far as a transfer in flying, I am not concerned.

 

[gutshotdraw]

And, from what I understand, East costs overall are much higher than West even with the current payscale discrepancy. As an outsider, I'll be very curious to see how badly the judge smacks down USAPA in the damages phase.

 

[JumpersAway]

bump............

 

[Networ-King]

We also probably agree that Rockford, IL at 2am sucks!

Bye Bye--General Lee

Very True.... I guess we can agree that doing the all nighter over the pond to some third world country sucks just as bad .......

Net

 

[Ty Webb]

We also probably agree that Rockford, IL at 2am sucks!

Bye Bye--General Lee

Rockford, Moline and Peoria . . . three of the reasons God invented beer.

 

[LaGarbage Man]

Peoria IL and Jumer's Lodge. Best overnight ever !!