Judge Wake's proposed injunction

[becket]

SO what happens when this so-called CBA with the Nic proposal unmodified with its current terms - fails to pass and is voted down?

And please don't tell me we go to arbitration or mediation


Metrojet

Nothing. Just be aware that unless you're willing to work under LOA 93 for the next 35+ years, the Nic. is the seniority list. Good Luck spinning this ******************************.

 

[dispatchguy]

Congrats to all - congrats on getting a judge who can read!!!

 

[Crzipilot]

The west keeps throwing loa 93 out there like it's a slap in the face. Yes it sucks but what you guys don't realize is the majority on the east have adjusted to the pay(execpt 190 guys and that wasn't from loa93 ). I've been asked from the jumpseat what it's gonna cost for a yes vote including the nic. Keep this number in mind - $40-50 pay raise for fo's. That's my price,and sure many other fo's out there, otherwise I'm sure they will be fine under loa 93, and also don't forgetany guys have secondary inces etc. Where us is thier secondary paycheck. So do the Capra that want a ten dollar raise outnumber those fo's that will never see the left seat?

 

[TWA Dude]

So do the Capra that want a ten dollar raise outnumber those fo's that will never see the left seat?

You presume that all future growth and upgrades is East. Wouldn't it be fun to watch if Parker grew the West and your deliberate seperate ops bites you in the tuchus. I don't know what the future holds but I'll bet a policy of 'seperate ops forever' will ultimately hurt you more than it helps.

And BTW, those old FO's who will never upgrade under the Nicolau list would never have upgraded under the 2005 seniority list either. Nicolau merely maintained their career expectations as ALPA Merger Policy directed.

 

[Networ-King]

That is FANTASTIC. Those Easties are the biggest bunch of babies.


Bye Bye--General Lee

OMG....

Mark this date.....We actually agree on something general. WOW...

Net

 

[surfnfly]

Let's see how many times any joint contract that includes the Nic get's voted down. My guess +10 . IF and I say If the pay rates do go to LOA84 a joint contract will never be voted in. Judge Wake's remedy does not specify how long the process can drag on so my guess seperate ops until the next merger. East bid 9-04 just out increase in 330 flying.

 

[TWA Dude]

Let's see how many times any joint contract that includes the Nic get's voted down.

What's your point? Seriously. It seems what you're really saying is, "USAPA is guilty of violating their DFR of the West but just watch how they can get around the courts and continue screwing the West." This is something you're proud of?

 

[PropPiedmont]

OMG....

Mark this date.....We actually agree on something general. WOW...

Net

Make that two of us.

 

[johnnyb]

Wouldn't it be fun to watch if Parker grew the West and your deliberate seperate ops bites you in the tuchus. I don't know what the future holds but I'll bet a policy of 'seperate ops forever' will ultimately hurt you more than it helps.

I'll take that bet ...

Through the first four months of the year, passenger traffic at Sky Harbor is down a staggering 9.9 percent. On a per-day basis, that’s 11,607 fewer passengers through the first 120 days of 2009.

http://phoenix.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2009/06/08/daily11.html

 

[Carl S.]

The price for F/O's is irrelevent to vote yes! It will be West pilots and East Captains that vote yes on a contract with Nic. in it! The days of the "Angry F/O Club from Cranberry" will end with the first contempt of court violation by USAPA for not following the injuction. Reality will settle in, just watch the process play out. Damages for plantiffs and Class to follow this August,get your check books ready!

 

[TWA Dude]

I'll take that bet

Okay, you're on. Looking foward to reading about all the growth on the East...

 

[Metrojet]

Guess you've never seen contract negotiations before. If a TA is voted down the parties return to negotiations and try again. And you get to enjoy LOA93 a while longer.

There is one good thing to enjoy from LOA 93 - two $35 million dollar payments to the East Pilots on 01Jan10 and 01Jan11.

But, in the interest of ALL - i would vote to put the $35 million into a strike fund - but of course with the caveat that those out West would honor a picket line?????????? Whaddya think the chances of that happening?

Metrojet

 

[TWA Dude]

There is one good thing to enjoy from LOA 93 - two $35 million dollar payments to the East Pilots on 01Jan10 and 01Jan11.

Enjoy.

But, in the interest of ALL - i would vote to put the $35 million into a strike fund - but of course with the caveat that those out West would honor a picket line?????????? Whaddya think the chances of that happening?

I think the chance of an actual strike is near zero.

 

[MCDU]

There is one good thing to enjoy from LOA 93 - two $35 million dollar payments to the East Pilots on 01Jan10 and 01Jan11.

But, in the interest of ALL - i would vote to put the $35 million into a strike fund - but of course with the caveat that those out West would honor a picket line?????????? Whaddya think the chances of that happening?

Metrojet

Well, we all know what pilot group had pilots that actually crossed . It would not surprise me at all that Westies would cross again. History does repeat itself.

M

 

[get2flyin]

Well, we all know what pilot group had pilots that actually crossed . It would not surprise me at all that Westies would cross again. History does repeat itself.

M

Cross the picket line of an organization whose goal is to achieve any and all advancements at the expense of West pilots? An organization that supposedly represents the West pilots equally but doesn't have ANY West pilots in its leadership structure? USAPA is a sham union whose soul purpose is the transfer of West pilot jobs and assets to East pilots while hiding under the mantle of being the "elected bargaining agent". While the West has a number of Continental pilots who wouldn't cross and subsequently started over at AWA and won't cross a line on if you drew it with chalk, explaining the benefit of not crossing a USAPA line to the majority of West pilots is going to be a tough (*but not impossible) sell.