Joe the Plummer says, "Bring back the -9's"

[DrunkIrishman]

While you believe that all flying should be done by one group of pilots, it is not your judgement to make.

That sounds an awful lot like you telling me that I shouldn't have an opinion. Furthermore, don't tell me what to post to the public and what to PM. I don't know who you think you are, but I do find you to be just as arrogant as you seem to think I am. I'll say what I like and where I like to say it. My opinion is no more or less valid than anyone else's and I will share it if I feel like it.

Turboprop drivers in the service are generally the ones who finished lower in class. Less skilled, if you will

Apparently you do think less of a T-prop driver...or was that a fact!?!

 

[PuffDriver]

That sounds an awful lot like you telling me that I shouldn't have an opinion. Furthermore, don't tell me what to post to the public and what to PM. I don't know who you think you are, but I do find you to be just as arrogant as you seem to think I am. I'll say what I like and where I like to say it. My opinion is no more or less valid than anyone else's and I will share it if I feel like it.



Apparently you do think less of a T-prop driver...or was that a fact!?!

You sound like Joe Merchant. :crying: :crying: :crying:

Get over yourself.

A quote from you:

I was dealing with one person that I know from our last job at ASA. Nothing personal to you, just him.

That's why I told you that if you wanted to talk to just him, that you should PM him, rather than to invite the public. It is simple intelligence to expect other opinions when you post on a pubic forum. THAT is the epitome of arrogance, telling a public forum that your PUBLIC message is meant for one person and not to respond.

Have an opinion all you want, When you start doggin my bros, however, you are going to hear from me why your opinion has no basis in fact, and why your opinion does not hold water to the rest of the logic based world.

Who said that you couldn't sy what you like? Get over the defensiveness and get over yourself. You are accusing the two most vocal "all inclusive" "one list" guys on FI of forgetting their roots. You are wrong pure and simple

One more little gem from you:

Apparently you do think less of a T-prop driver...or was that a fact

Here is the appropriate context from me:

Turboprop drivers in the service are generally the ones who finished lower in class. Less skilled, if you will.

THAT is the fact, generally speaking. The point of the exercise, oh wise opinionated one, is that the backgrounds of major pilots differ more than the backgrounds of regional pilots. Although there might be several of us who advocate all a/c flown by Delta pilots, there are OTHER opinions that certain airplanes should not be flown by Delta pilots due to their background. I do not share their opinion, however, they are valid Delta pilots as well, they make up significant numbers at Delta, and their vote counts as one--where as yours does not. Again, you find yet new ways to insult this former t-prop driver. Frankly, a 1900 pilot can out fly me these days. When I flew the 1900, or jetstream, or whatever, I could out fly major pilots. My ego does not have a problem with that. What experience teaches you is that there are much more important things to keeping a safe cockpit and a/c than being the best stick in the world.

But again, it boils down to money with regard as to why t-props are not on the property.

You need some thicker skin, some reading comprehension 101, and to let go of your ego if you are going to be a regular on FI with any kind of credibility. Otherwise, as in our exchange, you are going to get owned-big time. Your accusations are wrong, insulting, and will illicit the prescribed response from me every time.

 

[DrunkIrishman]

Let me get this straight...I ask a person that I know if he has forgotten his roots and that makes me arrogant? I guess we will agree to disagree.

It would seem that our exchange is of the private nature; why didn't you PM me!?! Hypocrite much?

Your accusations are wrong, insulting, and will illicit the prescribed response from me every time.

Reading comprehension eh? Try it yourself: illicit means illegal or not allowed...you wanted elicit. If you are going to throw stones from your glass house about reading ability, try writing something that is readable. And I don't recall accusing you of anything...merely asking you to clarify your opinion.

Au revoir!

 

[PuffDriver]

Let me get this straight...I ask a person that I know if he has forgotten his roots and that makes me arrogant?

YES


It would seem that our exchange is of the private nature; why didn't you PM me!?! Hypocrite much?

Nope. it is indeed NOT of a private nature. You had just taken it upon yourself to lecture me that your exchange was between you two. I said that if that were indeed true, you should have PM'd. Otherwise, everyone is fair game. The exchange between the two of us has always been public.


Reading comprehension eh? Try it yourself: illicit means illegal or not allowed...you wanted elicit.

You are absolutely correct that it is elicit. What you don't realize is that you understood it, have no other argument with which to provide ANY substance to your posts--aka ignoring the issues/deflect and divert in the mil, and therefore have lost this little exchange. Typical regional mentality. Next.

Puffdriver--ACL you really know this moron?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Not to my knowledge. I think he just knows I worked at ASA.

 

[DrunkIrishman]

Regional mentality huh. I got your regional mentality right here my friend. Come get some!

The only thing I have lost is the desire to continue this waste of time with a rude little pr$ck like you.

CL65-

I talked to you at FSI a couple of times over the years. I know who you are; I didn't say we meet to watch the Bulldogs every Saturday.

 

[Long Time Gone]

WTF is a "plummer"?

Someone who grows plums. DUH.

 

[PuffDriver]

Regional mentality huh. I got your regional mentality right here my friend. Come get some!

The only thing I have lost is the desire to continue this waste of time with a rude little pr$ck like you.

CL65-

I talked to you at FSI a couple of times over the years. I know who you are; I didn't say we meet to watch the Bulldogs every Saturday.

Yawn! You don't address any of the issues once I call you out. You say to type something that can be understood, when I have typed 2 pages of understandable material--when what you really wanted was to get a dig in over a spelling error when you knew what it meant anyway. Tis you who is rude, arrogant, obnoxious, and having a regional pilot mentality--alligator mouth, hummingbird a$$, tiny, fragile ego, and no couth. I can only imagine how stiff you back gets if you think that somebody is messing with your captain's authority. So brave are we, from keyboard length.

Go pick up your jock, get back in the huddle, and try again. :crying: :crying: :crying:

 

[DrunkIrishman]

Puff-

You're right, you win. What was I thinking? BTW, I don't fly regionally these days, I was fortunate to get a different job a while back. I am also not hiding behind a keyboard. Not all of us on this site are 5' 110# computer geeks so you might think twice about making those types of comments in the future to other less tolerant individuals. Try watching Full Metal Jacket sometime and you'll understand the "get some" reference.

I addressed your issues with your own quotes...but you are right, you are the winner in this contest. I won't challenge your authority ever again. How foolish am I...jacka$$!

 

[JoeMerchant]

Well quite true, money decides all. If you talk to people that were around during that time, it was money, but also the fact that mainline pilots did not fly airplanes that small.
Kind of funny when you see what a small airplane does these days....

Delta flew airplanes much smaller at one time....DC-3....and crop dusters if you want to go back far enough.....The mainline ego decided at some point that "little airplanes" weren't real airplanes......

 

[JoeMerchant]

You are right. Money does talk to the military guys. We take a big enough pay cut for quite a few years leaving the military. Flying a small regional type jet or Beach 1900 as previously mentioned for even less money is not attractive to us at all.

This is why a single list will never fly....The military folks do not want their "squadron buddies" to start over in a "little RJ"......

 

[JoeMerchant]

While you believe that all flying should be done by one group of pilots, it is not your judgement to make. Accusing guys of forgetting their roots is two fold. just as many forget where they were headed as forget where they've been. Likewise, you have another dynamic in the way of the military pilot who has a whole different perspective. Turboprop drivers in the service are generally the ones who finished lower in class. Less skilled, if you will. Military pilots ARE a force to be reckoned with at this level, and money talks to them more than smaller aircraft as entry level aircraft at Delta. They are a large voting block at Delta, and most are beginning to see the light. Try putting yourself into 150K and up salary range and worrying about a 50K aircraft on the list. Simply put,until you've been there, you can't--so don't even bother trying

Scope battle is indeed coming to the forefront at Delta, especially as more and more civilians get hired. It will NOT come about to the satisfaction of Comair and ASA drivers. It will be slowly incorporated into the mix via flow through AND flow back, much to the chagrin of the RJDC crowd. Civilian pilots don't forget their roots, neither do military pilots. Suggesting that they have, as you have, is a slap in the face. Likewise, being insensitive to military pilots' beliefs--as most regional pilots are--is a recipe for continued frustration, and failure with respect to achieving cooperation.

That's the way it is. You don't have to like it, but it is what it is.

There you have it folks.....That is the DALPA view....At least PuffDriver finally admitted it....There is no working with this kind of attitude....

 

[PuffDriver]

This is why a single list will never fly....The military folks do not want their "squadron buddies" to start over in a "little RJ"......

A single list will never fly because it is not practical. It is an absolute, which hardly ever happens in the real world.

 

[embraerjetpilot]

Joe the plumber isnt even a plumber and hasnt paid his child support or taxes. Why would anyone listen to him?

 

[PuffDriver]

There you have it folks.....That is the DALPA view....At least PuffDriver finally admitted it....There is no working with this kind of attitude....

Ah, the RJDC spin. The attitude came from the ASA and Comair pilots. Indeed, compromises were offered, and flat turned down by the ASA and Comair leadership. Hence, my quote you so eloquently spun:

It will NOT come about to the satisfaction of Comair and ASA drivers

DALPA leadership came to the table, went to bat for CMR and ASA, and were rejected. IOW, the offer wasn't satisfactory to the CMR and ASA leadership-nor will it ever be.

Also interesting is that you pull this quote:

Turboprop drivers in the service are generally the ones who finished lower in class. Less skilled, if you will.

Yet ignore this one:

Frankly, a 1900 pilot can out fly me these days. When I flew the 1900, or jetstream, or whatever, I could out fly major pilots.

Military pilots choose their aircraft based on order finished in class from available aircraft. How they finish in class is based on skill. Most choose fighters if available. This mentality carriers over the civilian world. It could be overcome with money, but the money for turboprops isn't there either.

Taking care of your own is just natural. In fact, it is what Irish boy was talking about. Remembering roots. Military guys have it nailed. They have vast numbers, at Delta, and they have a voice. The reasonable person listens to that voice, the unreasonable sue.

Now go pick up your jock and join the irish guy in the huddle. What a couple of crybabies. :crying: :crying: :crying:

 

[PuffDriver]

Puff-

You're right, you win. What was I thinking? BTW, I don't fly regionally these days, I was fortunate to get a different job a while back. I am also not hiding behind a keyboard. Not all of us on this site are 5' 110# computer geeks so you might think twice about making those types of comments in the future to other less tolerant individuals. Try watching Full Metal Jacket sometime and you'll understand the "get some" reference.

I addressed your issues with your own quotes...but you are right, you are the winner in this contest. I won't challenge your authority ever again. How foolish am I...jacka$$!

1) The victim game doesn't work with me. 2) You ARE hiding behind a keyboard 3) The reason you are hiding behind a keyboard, as we all are, is due to the fact that there are people out there--as you just demonstrated--who are not necessarily stable. I urge the moderators to take your threat seriously. Meanwhile, I shall bow out of contact with you.

 

[DrunkIrishman]

Puff-

What's that you keep saying? I can't hear you from the flight deck of my 747. Wait, does that mean I am a great pilot because I can push buttons on this thing? The fighter guys at my company with such "skill" certainly do struggle to operate the 747 initially tough guy. They also don't have your arrogance, which allows them to learn and improve over time. Guys that were driving C-130's seem to be just fine. It would appear that a fighter pilot is no better of a pilot of an airliner than the rest of us. Some military pilots seem to overlook that. AIM...what is that? What's this second alternate you keep talking about? The airline world is different from the military world. 98% of mil guys know that...I'll put you down in the 2% of arrogance that wreck it for the rest.

 

[PuffDriver]

Puff-

What's that you keep saying? I can't hear you from the flight deck of my 747. Wait, does that mean I am a great pilot because I can push buttons on this thing? The fighter guys at my company with such "skill" certainly do struggle to operate the 747 initially tough guy. They also don't have your arrogance, which allows them to learn and improve over time. Guys that were driving C-130's seem to be just fine. It would appear that a fighter pilot is no better of a pilot of an airliner than the rest of us. Some military pilots seem to overlook that. AIM...what is that? What's this second alternate you keep talking about? The airline world is different from the military world. 98% of mil guys know that...I'll put you down in the 2% of arrogance that wreck it for the rest.

Yawn! I wasn't in the military. You still can't read. Now you have big airplane syndrome. What was that about remembering your roots? Big airplane, same regional mentality. ORD is not a big CP base. The world just got smaller for you.

Back to your playpen, baby.

 

[DrunkIrishman]

..to other less tolerant individuals. Try watching Full Metal Jacket sometime and you'll understand the "get some" reference.

I see. That is a threat to you is it. Keep trying to stir the pot tough guy. I'll complete the sentence for you: other less tolerant [than me] individuals...meaning I can tolerate foolish individuals such as yourself; whereas, others might not be able to.

Now you have big airplane syndrome.

You call it a syndrome, I call it a job. I used that to retort your fighter pilots are the greatest line of logic. Doesn't matter what you fly, just how much you stay home.

ORD is not a big CP base.

I assume you looked at another thread to deduce my employment (guess again by the way, but keep trying)...are you stalking me now? Maybe the moderators that you cry to should ban you...pyscho.

You got anything else you want to say about this subject, then you PM me instead of wasting everyone else's time on this thread.

 

[PuffDriver]

I see. That is a threat to you is it. Keep trying to stir the pot tough guy. I'll complete the sentence for you: other less tolerant [than me] individuals...meaning I can tolerate foolish individuals such as yourself; whereas, others might not be able to.



You call it a syndrome, I call it a job. I used that to retort your fighter pilots are the greatest line of logic. Doesn't matter what you fly, just how much you stay home.



I assume you looked at another thread to deduce my employment (guess again by the way, but keep trying)...are you stalking me now? Maybe the moderators that you cry to should ban you...pyscho.

You got anything else you want to say about this subject, then you PM me instead of wasting everyone else's time on this thread.

Nope, just figured it out. Now you are quoting yourself. Backpedaling. I think that we are done here. Correcting spelling errors. You arrogantly made yourself the "don't forget your roots" police, and got yourself spanked. The rest was just perks for me. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.