Joe the Plummer says, "Bring back the -9's"

[Superpilot92]

get a room

 

[PuffDriver]

get a room

Get a brain

 

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This is why a single list will never fly....The military folks do not want their "squadron buddies" to start over in a "little RJ"......

Actually, that's wrong and as written earlier the real problem is worse because it is more objective than simple bigotry.

Read the argument about the DC9 SLI and you quickly realize the reason why this airplane isn't an MD88 is because of the 25%+ pay differential on the 100 seat jets. The large airplane drivers don't want to be involved in trying to raise the pay for anything other than the large airplanes.

You saw the divisions between the 76 seat and 50 seat pilots at ASA. Multiply that by between 200% and 400% and you start to get at the real problem.

You should see the fight over where the 767-300ER fits into the NWA scheme of things.... Delta thinks it is a A330, NWA thinks it is barely better than a 737.

 

[vprMatrix]

Delta flew airplanes much smaller at one time....DC-3....and crop dusters if you want to go back far enough.....The mainline ego decided at some point that "little airplanes" weren't real airplanes......

You've made this point before and while it is a true statment, at the time, the DC3 was one of the largest planes flying.

Times changed. :beer:

 

[lowtimedriver]

Unions. Look what they have done for the Big 3. Come to think of it, look what they did to McDonnell Douglas..........

 

[General Lee]

Actually, that's wrong and as written earlier the real problem is worse because it is more objective than simple bigotry.

Read the argument about the DC9 SLI and you quickly realize the reason why this airplane isn't an MD88 is because of the 25%+ pay differential on the 100 seat jets. The large airplane drivers don't want to be involved in trying to raise the pay for anything other than the large airplanes.

You saw the divisions between the 76 seat and 50 seat pilots at ASA. Multiply that by between 200% and 400% and you start to get at the real problem.

You should see the fight over where the 767-300ER fits into the NWA scheme of things.... Delta thinks it is a A330, NWA thinks it is barely better than a 737.

Here is what was stated during the SLI hearings about the DC9:

why don't you just
16 remind us about the DC-9s.
17 A. Again, the airplanes are old. The
18 average age of the fleet is 36 years.
19 Industry average is 12.6. Delta's oldest
20 fleet is the MD-88 which has an average age of
21 17 years.
22 Obviously we've had conflicting
23 testimony about the life cycle limit but I
24 think everybody agrees that there is some
25 certain limit on how long those airplanes can

2 be operated. And Northwest management feels
3 that limit is coming sooner rather than later.
4 Q. And then finally we've had some
5 discussion already, but just to remind the
6 panel about the potential theoretical
7 replacement of DC-9s?
8 A. Yes, as part of Northwest's
9 bankruptcy reorganization there was the Newco
10 idea basically transformed into two different
11 pieces. There was the 76-seat piece that came
12 with Compass and some of it is at Masaba

And again, what I did was I took the
23 DC-9 fleets, the individual fleet types within
24 that DC-9 fleet, and compared them to the
25 MD-88, which is Delta's airplane with the

2 least amount of capabilities or the lowest
3 capability aircraft that we have in the
4 medium-gauge domestic.
5 And you can see there that the
6 bottom line, especially comparing the maximum
7 ASM, there's more than just a small
8 difference. There's a large difference
9 between those airplanes. And that's why we
10 felt that the DC-9 did deserve to be in a
11 separate grouping than all of the other
12 aircraft in that medium-gauge domestic.
13 Q.

The
22 MD-88 -- if we looked at the previous one, the
23 MD-88 is used as a hub-feed aircraft.
24 Sometimes it will go Atlanta to Savannah or
25 Atlanta to Knoxville and feed passengers.

2 But it also has the capability to
3 do long-range outflow from the hubs. It
4 landed in Tucson, landed in Phoenix. They are
5 now using it on long-range Caribbean turns to
6 go down to the islands and back.
7 The DC-9 just doesn't have the
8 capability to do that. So therefore it's
9 limited to staying within a certain range of
10 the hubs.

think Captain Gilroy testified
11 that most of the DC-9 missions are less than
12 500 miles. And primarily in today's markets
13 those airplanes are being relegated to the
14 smaller, more fuel-efficient 50 to 76 seat
15 market


As far as the 76ER goes vs the A330, RH gave a great presentation about what our 76ER does vs the A330, and how we fly more 3 man missions, and even 4 pilot ultra long haul. NWA does not do that at all with the A330. Most of their A330 flying is 2 man crew (especially compared to our 76ER Europe stuff), in and around NRT to other Asian destinations like Singapore and Guam. They don't even use their planes like they supposedly were built.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Unions. Look what they have done for the Big 3. Come to think of it, look what they did to McDonnell Douglas..........

You are correct, but remember one thing. Foreign companies do not get to fly point to point here yet. As we do not do it over seas. Now if and when that happens, we will be in the same shape.