JetBlue Trashes Pilot Loyalty

[iflynights]

Sorry guys,

I've have never been much of a sheep. While I am looking for other work, unfortunately, I need to feed the family. I don't believe it will be that long, so don't worry. I am definitely not the only person that thinks we are selling out the industry while keeping the company at 15% profit margins. If you are happy about it, fine.. You can continue "having faith" and so forth, but while they recinded the new contract, they are doing anything about the most important thing... Pay, or lack thereof.

There is a slow move towards two factions at JB. People hired with the very low priced options and people hired over the last year and a half or so. It will be interesting how it turns out...

 

[AKAAB]

Factions at JetBlue? Give it a rest - unless you feel it's you versus everyone else. You may be right on that point.

I'm sorry you feel you were so maligned when you were offered a job at JetBlue. Please do whatever you need to do to be fulfilled in your life; just don't pretend the rest of the pilot group feels the way you do.

I wonder... if the stock price was still in the stratosphere, would you be a happier camper or would you be talking about "factions"? How about putting that argument on the back burner and think about all the other pilots desperately trying to find a way to keep feeding their families.

Have a little humility, man! You have something others probably deserve as much as you - a job at a growing airline that doesn't bounce checks or furlough.

AKAAB
"on-on"

 

[8vATE]

I too have noticed that people's "expectations" are changing...

Some of these guys were told Southwest pay by Al and others...
Since 2000.... SW pay has increased drastically...

Al and others really put their foots in their mouths when they did that..
They should have never tied our pay to a competitors...
Now .. .SW captain pay is in the 180/ hr range... and some of these
knuckleheads think we should be making that...

Mgt dropped the ball when they didn't see the disconnect in people's expectations and the reality of maintaining our cost structure...

It comes down to the old airline pilot axiom....
Look out for number one (me) ...
and
Greed....

Everyone that works for jetBlue and those considering it should know up front..
You're never going to make an industry leading rate...

Hopefully...
You will be happy with your FULL compensation package.. your job security ...
your leaders.... and have a fun time....

But we need to recognize our part in the business strategy and plan...

In regard to those guys that got hired and their options are underwater...
That really blows and should be addressed... how ....? I don't know...
Some of those guys really got nailed when the stock ran up ....
Their exercise prices are up there in the stratosphere...

Personally...

This place is trying really hard to live up to the core values...
I am hopeful that it will...
But there's always a 5-10% that want to crap on everything and everyone...

 

[Flying Freddie]

Sorry guys,

I've have never been much of a sheep. While I am looking for other work, unfortunately, I need to feed the family. I don't believe it will be that long, so don't worry. I am definitely not the only person that thinks we are selling out the industry while keeping the company at 15% profit margins. If you are happy about it, fine.. You can continue "having faith" and so forth, but while they recinded the new contract, they are doing anything about the most important thing... Pay, or lack thereof.

There is a slow move towards two factions at JB. People hired with the very low priced options and people hired over the last year and a half or so. It will be interesting how it turns out...

Where are you going to go?

 

[FedExpert]

Iflynights,

Just shut up and drink the coolaid. Some of these bluies are like some of our retired military guys. They have no spine and are just trying to hold on to what they have now, not caring about who comes after or about getting their share of the profits (give it to the execs instead, that will keep them until hard times). These bluies only say love it or leave it or no union on our property ever. Questioning your boss' descisions should be your right, just as it is your collective choice to have a union or not.

 

[colorado418]

Options???

So now it is the options...

We are upset because the options that the company GAVE us, are not worth so much now.

So I guess we are looking at the short term. We wanted to vest them and cash them out right away? We did not want to let them ride and split? We did not want to look at the long term value of said options?

I would be real curious to know how much time the "blue aid drinking, accept anything the company says" guys have here at JetBlue versus the "My options suck, the rates are too low, I want another job" guys.

I have been here since Jan. 02. There. Happy? I fall into the "blue aid drinking crowd and I love it. I have seen this management "do the right thing" for some time.
I also flew at Allegheny prior to here. Take that for what you want. I have seen how management can "do all the wrong" things.

I do not have fears about the rates of the EMB-190. Do I think they are low? YES. Do I think they will come up? I think that when the aircraft comes on line in revenue in October 2005, the company will look at the revenue that it can produce and adjust rates accordling.

It bothers me to see how much negativity I see coming from the computers of current B6 pilots. Did you not know what was in store when you signed up? Or is it that it does not live up to the standards of what your former carrier had? Or has it been your dream ever since you went into the military flying that you would come out to the civilian world and land the perfect job at a "major"?

If you don't like it here, or any other place, you owe it to yourself, those you work with and your employer to seek work elsewhere. Don't make it miserable for others to come to work.

Well, I am losing my balance so I will step off my little soap box for now.

 

[V2+10]

You know, it’s really funny when you look back at the posts on this board over the years. Let’s see…JetBlue won’t make it past 1 year. JetBlue won’t make it past 2 years. JetBlue won’t make it past 3 years. You just wait until 4 years. Just like Peoples. Just like Florida Express. Just like Midway. Just like…well you get the point.



JetBlue is not, and never has been, “just like”. I think that’s the difference. It’s true that many startups have gone to the graveyard. JetBlue is trying hard not to repeat that trend. Sometimes being different is not so bad (including pay). Sustainability and long term survivability are unique in this industry. JetBlue is trying very hard to be one of the very few “survivors” in this crazy business. Maybe by not repeating, or following what other carriers have done in the past, just might ensure a company that still exists when it’s time to retire. It sure beats the alternative.





V2

 

[buzzer]

V2+10, Good points. It's easy for so many to predict what they want from the privacy of their computers. The sentiment about the low pay though, I share. I feel like it's, score one for your airline but minus one for your profession. I have absolutely no hate for your airline. I hope you and all of us in this profession, do and live well.