JetBlue Scope FAIL.

[GuppyWN]

You guys need to nail down your Scope issues now, before it's too late.

Gup

 

[hyflyin]

unless SWAPA steps in and offers to create a national LCCPA (Low Cost Carrier Pilots' Association).

+1 to that!!!!

 

[Popeye0537]

You guys need to nail down your Scope issues now, before it's too late.

Gup

Its already to late for them.....but hey they have a good relationship with management!

 

[Blue Dude]

http://www.thestreet.com/story/10836963/1/american-jetblue-negotiate-code-share.html

Coincidence? :angryfire

 

[Dizel8]

Its already to late for them.....but hey they have a good relationship with management!

Far from too late, but sooner rather than later would be advisable!

 

[thruthemurk]

You guys need to nail down your Scope issues now, before it's too late.

Gup

We have no hammer to "nail down" anything. Dave B does not want us to have scope protection - we will not have scope protection. There will be a gradual awakening of the blind and clueless who will finally realize that not having legal representation for the biggest financial transaction of your life was not a good choice. We will grow up, let go of the adolescent dream of "playing fair", elect a union, and see where we go from there.

Nothing teaches like loss.

 

[mesaserf]

Has anyone at Jet Blue not had their five year contract renewed?

 

[Blue Dude]

Has anyone at Jet Blue not had their five year contract renewed?

No. The contract renews itself automatically. The only mechanism to prevent this is being fired for cause.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Its already to late for them.....but hey they have a good relationship with management!

Just becasue jb pilots organize doesn't mean they'll be effective.... it takes a few years to get established... even if you vote in ALPA, latch on to IBT or SWAPA.....

So.. some are saying 2Q11... that means you'll be effective in a few quarters.... if jb pilots go in house they will take much longer to be effective....

 

[8vATE]

Cue 8vate to tell us how we're all idiots for rocking his boat and questioning the brilliance of the direct relationship.....

Boy...

You don't like it when someone calls you out for being such a hot shot know it all... guess I hit your "sensitive" nerve...

Good for me..

Yea... I see what's going on.... As Dave says... "what got us to where we are may not get us to where we want to be."

I don't want to vote ALPA in... as a LOT of guys who have been bent over by them don't want to. But they're pushing it on the pilot group.

BTW...
Did you find any higher E190 rates out there yet?
Had your ALPA A plan pension terminated yet?
Had a CH 11 yet?
Been stapled to the bottom of another list yet?
Had your "ALPA bulletproof" scope language "violated" yet?
Had your "ALPA no furlough" clause thrown out...
If you can't say "yes" to any of those questions... then maybe you don't know it all after all. :crying:
(oh.. yea.. I can say yes to all of them (except the E190 rates) ... and I will probably still vote Prater and his triple chins in... so relax).

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Posting company email (even an excerpt) may not jive with the CBB. Be careful.

Oh -- but thanks for doing it.

 

[Flyby1206]

If that happens, I'd imagine most of the Caribbean flying would get farmed out. Q400s got decent legs on it, and I could see it doing runs from MCO or FLL that the 190 does now.

Ugh... Republic is shutting down the Lynx certificate, but keeping 3 of the Q400s and transferring them to the Republic certificate. JB contracting RAH to do Caribbean flying? Please no!

 

[aewanabe]

welcome to the dark side..

Not particularly, especially when I never claimed to know it all. In the meantime, I can answer yes to 2 of the above, though I was IBT before. Can I play now?

I'm sorry to see the direction things seem to be heading, but stand by my stance that I wouldn't go back to the previous job. To the previous poster, our rumor mill points to Cape Air (we all tend to forget they already fly ATRs aroundGuam). (QUOTE=8vATE;2033061]Boy...

You don't like it when someone calls you out for being such a hot shot know it all... guess I hit your "sensitive" nerve...

Good for me..

Yea... I see what's going on.... As Dave says... "what got us to where we are may not get us to where we want to be."

I don't want to vote ALPA in... as a LOT of guys who have been bent over by them don't want to. But they're pushing it on the pilot group.

BTW...
Did you find any higher E190 rates out there yet?
Had your ALPA A plan pension terminated yet?
Had a CH 11 yet?
Been stapled to the bottom of another list yet?
Had your "ALPA bulletproof" scope language "violated" yet?
Had your "ALPA no furlough" clause thrown out...
If you can't say "yes" to any of those questions... then maybe you don't know it all after all. :crying:
(oh.. yea.. I can say yes to all of them (except the E190 rates) ... and I will probably still vote Prater and his triple chins in... so relax).[/QUOTE]

 

[Turtle21]

Wow... what a slap in the face or a "kick in the teeth", to quote Dave B. Like it was posted above, this has been an on going process filled w/ passed deadlines and broken promises. To finally come out and say that we'll give you "culturally based" SCOPE is such an insult. If you aren't completely convinced now that the "direct relationship" is worthless than I give up on you. You are unreachable if you can't read between the lines on this one.

We've been promised for years about forthcoming SCOPE protection. How the company wants to give us industry leading SCOPE protection because they know it's very important to us and our careers. They want to give us a secure future that will benefit all. SCOPE was that carrot dangled out in front that kept luring us deeper and deeper into the abyss of the "direct relationship".

Everyone that's semi-conscious should now see that bright light in the tunnel. If we don't act soon that light will be a freight train coming to steam roll our futures in the form of a buyout or drastic changes to our flimsy "direct relationship" contracts!

See the light fellow Jetblue Pilots! We are being played on a monumental level and the time is now to act!

Tailhookah

That sucks, but you vote in ALPA and you will see what being played is. When you all finally leap you should look carefully.

 

[Turtle21]

Even disputed scope is better than none at all. Most of the scope "failures" were either trades for something else that were perceived as more valuable or bankruptcy victims. The prevailing "scope is worthless" meme is a complete myth.

I think he was referring to ALPA scope?