Jetblue Question. QOL A320 vs E190

[LUV2FLYLOUIE]

Hey Blue guys. I'm in the August 29th class and I here it will be mixed. Wondering if you guys can give me an idea on QOL on each plane. I live in CLT and would commute to JFK. Thanks in advance.
Louie

PS. I'm turning blue already.

 

[On Your Six]

Hey Blue guys. I'm in the August 29th class and I here it will be mixed. Wondering if you guys can give me an idea on QOL on each plane. I live in CLT and would commute to JFK. Thanks in advance.
Louie

PS. I'm turning blue already.

Given that JB uses E190s on flights to CLT from JFK, you could get nights at home if you get that fleet - not too bad. I hear the E190 fleet seems more like a "regional" airplane in terms of average sector times and mix of short and medium-haul flights. You could fly between JFK and IAD 3-4 times in one day. The A320 will get you to the Caribbean (excluding Nassau and Bermuda) and the West Coast.

 

[Chronic Jetlag]

The E190 has about a 2000 Nm range but is being flown like an RJ. You'll do 3-4 legs per day avg. to get around 5 hours of pay per day. Overall the 320 is more productive and less work. One transcon and you'll get 5+ of pay. 2 year seat lock in both fleet and you can only upgrade within your respective fleet within your lock. It'll take you 3 years min. to upgrade on the E190 and 8 years on the 320. We have about 1900 total pilot, about 100 buses and 27 E190s. 7.2 crews for the bus and 6.7 for the 190 so you can do your own math.
Keep in mind you have butt loads of commuters from CLT and I know JB guys getting bumped off the JS...only 2 on the 190, one in the cockpit and one in the cabin and flight attendants have priority over pilots for the cabin JS.

Welcome to Big Blue

 

[zkmayo]

Im about halfway up the list in the 190 left seat and live in clt. commute is a nail-biter almost every time these days. life as a line holder on it isnt too bad. routinely getting 15-16 days off mid 80s block on min schedule. fly about 70 (cx for wx, atc delays etc). trips are half commuteable.

i will tell you though that if i was brand new at jb i would go to the 320. hands down you will make more $. plus the trips are more productive and in general you dont work as hard. the 190 teething issues have mostly been worked out, and having flown both types here i can tell you the 190 is more fun to fly but the 320 is a nicer airplane all around. also i have not noticed any different treatment by anyone.

also, im not even sure jb is going to run any more 190 classes this year, and if at all not until at least sept/oct. virtually all will go to the 320.

good luck and see you on the commute (unfortunately)...

 

[LUV2FLYLOUIE]

Thanks guys for the info. I guess the 320 is the better deal. Does the 190 have clt layovers? That could be pretty nice.

 

[Beantown]

Does the 190 have clt layovers?.

Yes. Take the 320 and the better second yr pay, then upgrade on the 190 (in about 3 yrs) and get your CLT overnights. -Bean

 

[Fedora]

I wish you well at JB, Louie! From the posts it seems like a good bunch of guys telling it to you straight!
Sounds like the Bus will get you a better deal and an upgrade to the 190 left seat sooner.
Hey, Blue! You're getting a really good guy here. He'd easily be a Captain on the DC-10 or MD-11 here if we had a slot for him. He's a real professional with a great attitude and a pleasure to fly with. He will be missed!

 

[johnsonrod]

Thanks guys for the info. I guess the 320 is the better deal. Does the 190 have clt layovers? That could be pretty nice.

Congrats on the new job. Perhaps you could provide a little clarity to someone who is looking at both the cargo and the LCC markets.

Can you give us a sense as to why you would leave Gemini and an MD-11 job for JB? Was it slow upgrade time at Gemini? Didn't like the long-haul lifestyle? Prefer shorter hops to longer hops? What did you not like about Gemini which contributed to this decision to join JB?

I don't know anyone at Gemini but I have a few friends at JB. Some like it and some don't - pretty much like any airline out there. It would be interesting to hear your rationale behind a move because some of us are looking for clarity ourselves.

 

[LUV2FLYLOUIE]

I wish you well at JB, Louie! From the posts it seems like a good bunch of guys telling it to you straight!
Sounds like the Bus will get you a better deal and an upgrade to the 190 left seat sooner.
Hey, Blue! You're getting a really good guy here. He'd easily be a Captain on the DC-10 or MD-11 here if we had a slot for him. He's a real professional with a great attitude and a pleasure to fly with. He will be missed!

Thanks Fedora. I'll miss you guy's too. But at the same time very excited about starting my new life at jetblue.

 

[BlueBusDriver]

Given that JB uses E190s on flights to CLT from JFK, you could get nights at home if you get that fleet - not too bad. I hear the E190 fleet seems more like a "regional" airplane in terms of average sector times and mix of short and medium-haul flights. You could fly between JFK and IAD 3-4 times in one day. The A320 will get you to the Caribbean (excluding Nassau and Bermuda) and the West Coast.

Actually...the A320 flies to Nassau. I fly there twice this week. I don't know if it still flies to Bermuda, but I've flown the A320 on scheduled flights quite a few times into Bermuda.
You know....now that I think about it, I didn't realize that the E190 went to Nassau.

The E190 is a beautiful plane, but the A320 seems to have a better quality of life.

 

[vindiesel]

what about commuting to JFK or FLL out of TPA? any word? Louie, see you in class!

 

[WDE]

Definitely go with the Bus if available, better trips and different variety. I personally am 2+ now Bus FO, and will stay here unless they adjust the riduculous 190 pay. Welcome aboard, get in line for the commute out of Clt with the rest of us.

 

[LUV2FLYLOUIE]

Thanks guy's all very valuable info. Johnsonrod, as for your question's. All of the above you mentioned is the problem. I have 2 kids and it doesn't help being on the road 18 days at a time. If I were a single guy maybe things would be different. If you have any more question's you can PM me. I'll be more than glad to help you out.

 

[clickclickboom]

Thanks guy's all very valuable info. Johnsonrod, as for your question's. All of the above you mentioned is the problem. I have 2 kids and it doesn't help being on the road 18 days at a time. If I were a single guy maybe things would be different. If you have any more question's you can PM me. I'll be more than glad to help you out.

After you have been here about 1.5 to 2 years you can grab nice 4 days like these 2 examples below.. You may get them sooner starting out pick the bus the upgrades have extended on the 190 and the comfort of the bus on a 5 hour transcon is only surpassed by a 767 or md 11.. The pull out laptop/meal tray holds 130lbs so you can put your meal on there and eat away. Hope this helps and welcome aboard. If you have any questions about anything or need help please pm me anytime

DAY DD DH C FLTNO DPS-ARS DEPT ARRV BLKT GRNT TBLK TDHD TCRD TPAY TDUTY LAYOVER
LOCAL Times
Th 12 JFK-RSW 1528 1825 0257 046
Th 12 * RSW-JFK 1911 2210 0259 053
Th 12 JFK-SYR 2303 2400 0057 0653 0000 0723 0723 1000 SYR 1515
D-END: 0015 (NR 0900) REPORT1530
Fr 13 SYR-MCO 1611
Fr 13 MCO-BOS 2053 2352 0259 0542 0000 0546 0546 0837 BOS 1418
D-END: 0007 (NR 0900) REPORT 1425
Sa 14 BOS-LGB 1524 1828 0604 0604 0000 0616 0616 0718 LGB 1802
D-END: 1843 (NR 0900) REPORT 1245
Su 15 LGB-JFK 1435 2257 0522 0522 0000 0535 0535 0727 --------------------------------------
TOTALS BLOCK 2401 DHD 0000 CREDIT HRS. 2500 T.A.F.B. 8057


07/08/07 BSE REPT: 1500 REPORT- 07/08/07 LOCAL Times
Su 08 001 JFK-OAK 1558 1853 0555
Su 08 029 OAK-LGB 2012 2151 0139 0734 0000 0756 0756 1006 LGB 1109
D-END: 2206 (NR 0900) REPORT 0915
Mo 09 024 LGB-OAK 0954 1107 0113 059
Mo 09 032 OAK-IAD 1206 2008 0502 0615 0000 0617 0617 0808 IAD 1112
D-END: 2023 (NR 0900) REPORT 0735
Tu 10 035 IAD-LGB 0820 1036 0516 057
Tu 10 022 LGB-SLC 1133 1419 0146 0702 0000 0711 0711 0859 SLC 1526
D-END: 1434 (NR 0900) REPORT 0600
We 11 021 SLC-LGB 0650 0744 0154 105
We 11 024 LGB-JFK 0849 1743 0554 0748 0000 0748 0748 0958
D-END: 1758 --------------------------------------
TOTALS BLOCK 2839 DHD 0000 CREDIT HRS. 2912 T.A.F.B. 7458

 

[NewmanF16]

The pull out laptop/meal tray holds 130lbs

Hmm, strangely the max weight of most French flight attendants...