Jetblue pilots begin organization drive...

[HA25]

[/COLOR] I think they will feel a lot of competitive pressure from the legacy carriers over the coming quarters.

Not to mention Southwest, Airtran, Frontier, Spirit, and all of the other LCC WN wanabees..

It's a fad I tell you, just like the dot.bomb.. the legacies will always rain supreme.

 

[scoreboard]

the legacies will always rain supreme.

Riiight..... Just like TWA, Pan Am, Western, Piedmont, unfortunately the list goes on... Most will survive because they will do what is required. Others will fail, SWA may fail, but to say the LCC model is flawed, well, we got thirty plus years and counting...

Ironic you spelled it "rain supreme" as in fall from the sky...

Legacies Reign supreme, you mean just like the cavemen?

 

[HA25]

Riiight..... Just like TWA, Pan Am, Western, Piedmont, unfortunately the list goes on... Most will survive because they will do what is required. Others will fail, SWA may fail, but to say the LCC model is flawed, well, we got thirty plus years and counting...

Ironic you spelled it "rain supreme" as in fall from the sky...

Legacies Reign supreme, you mean just like the cavemen?

Southwest will be the only one I'd bet on NOT to fail..

Rain Reign.. you know what I meant.. I can spell a word wrong once in a while.

 

[scoreboard]

Southwest will be the only one I'd bet on NOT to fail..

Rain Reign.. you know what I meant.. I can spell a word wrong once in a while.

No prob bro, I'm not the spelling police, just pointing out an irony

 

[lowecur]

Originally Posted by lowecur/ironcityblue

There is no such thing as collective will, there is only the bifurcation between the junior and senior ranks where a collective pecking order is created for the benefit of you know who. Are you talking about a handful of CEO's, analysts, speculators and pundits who wax on and off about the trials and tribulations of the greedy labor cost unit? Actually I was talking about Senior Wences.

Lets hear you play devil's advocate and expound upon what Jetblue mgt should have done and when they should have done it? Be specific on pay increases (percentage), COLA (at least partial COLA) for 320 pilots and 60-65% Captain pay for FO's work rules Better reserve rules for starters and a few other minor things. We all know Rome wasn't built in a day., and benefits. AirTran has a 10.5% B fund and a 15% discount (I believe) stock purchase plan. I think that's HIGHLY attainable right now and wouldn't "choke the golden goose" Let's keep it simple and figure it's going to cost Jetblue an average of $10,000 per pilot in 2007 for pay, benefits, and lost productivity with a change in work rules. That's $16 to 20M just for 2007. Then tell us all in your inimitable wisdom how Jetblue can still maintain a competitive edge, Great product, reasonable fares, expanding and improving consumer reach (miles program, maybe some intl alliances, connecting the dots and adding a few kew markets and a first class, the lack of which is by far our biggest burden, not pilot pay) not fracture other employee groups We deserve to be compensated significantly better than our fellow employees who come to the job off the street with no required education and a 3 week training course (or less). Anyone who can't handel that fact can high tail it back to the USSR where they belong. Yes you do, but unfortunately the other employees are not going to sit by without wanting their increased share of the pie. Hence, other unions will begin to appear on the property, and guess what????...the $16 to $20M turns into $40-$50M. and garner 10-15% profit margins? I'm in favor of the highest profit margin possible. But I'm under no illusion that you have to make 10-15% to be viable. What's Southwest's long term profit margin been? Me thinks their average net is around 11% over the last 30 yrs, but they have had some bumps lately. If JetBlue makes 5-10% even if your assumption is true that better pilot compensation that still keeps pilot CASM among the lowest in the nation will have a large impact on the profit margin of a well run company is true (which it isn't, and you know that) it would still be a very profitable company, especially on scale for a company its size now.

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You people seem to forget that SWA has a ton of cash and Jetblue is in hock up to it's arz. I couldn't think of a worse time to start this little adversarial duet, but I don't think like most MECs that have an obsessive compulsive mindset of self destruction and instability. It will be interesting to see how this little drama plays out.

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[skykid]

Fix what? I like what I see, I have great work rules, benefits, pay, if you don't, you fix it.

I will be a part of improving compensation at my company just like I did this last time. Most would say we lead the industry now in compensation (I work for a non-passenger carrying company based in the midsouth), I say there is room for improvement.

You haven't looked around lately have you, pay for every profession is stagnant or retracting, deal with it brother.

What we need to deal with is pilots who will fly as airbus Captains for First Officer wages. If you are at a so called legacy and took a 30% paycut to live to fight another day, okay, you probably have the same goal. I'm concerned about the people willing to fly shiny new jets as Captains for First Officer or Flight Engineer wages. Don't do it.

 

[HA25]

I'm concerned about the people willing to fly shiny new jets as Captains for First Officer or Flight Engineer wages. Don't do it.

Skybus out of Columbus OH is starting up a A320 operation that will pay CP's $65/hr to start.. That's less than a Muni Bus driver in NYC.

XtraAir pays 737 CP's $73/hr..

MaxJet pays 767-300ER CPs $93,000/yr

it's already begun.. B6 was just the horn that sounded the charge.

 

[Dave's kid]

I'm usually not one to wish ill on others, but I can tell you that if you think you're going to retire after a long career with no ups and downs from Jet Blue, you're living in a world of denial. Time will tell.. I'm done with this tread.

He said he was done, when is he going to leave?

 

[HA25]

He said he was done, when is he going to leave?

When he dang well feels like it.. "kid"

I love when people have no argument but to argue.

 

[Dave's kid]

I think you're wrong about ALPA and angry at something. Maybe your dad didn't tell you he loved you enough, who knows?

I know that ALPA, or any other union, will not gain a foothold at JetBlue any time soon. The pilots on this site praising the benefits of ALPA at JetBlue, don't work at JetBlue, so a discussion on this board about an organization drive at JetBlue is pointless. So why argue about it here? I come to this board for entertainment, I argue where my argument will really matter.

So I am just pointing out that you said three pages ago you were "done with this tread", and I would like to point out to the other people reading this thread that when you say something, you must not really mean what you say.