JetBlue Pilots Association Donation

[SNOWBUM]

I don't question your motivation...I really don't. There are changes needed to keep folks on the property.


I haven't chosen sides, frankly. But your written words speak volumes of the mindset of those who would advocate an adversarial relationship, thus losing much of what we have simply to gain representation.

no adversarial attitude at all. I don't know any JBPA supporter who wants that. everyone would like to see a good working relationship like SWPA. negotiations will be tough, but in the end we all can leave the table feeling we won something. It is up to the company to be adversarial. JBPA is not adversarial at all, we just pointed out the things that need to be change . I don't think that is adversarial.
Yes, I agree maybe I shouldn't have said he didn't miss much, as I believe JB is not a bad place but there is a lot of room for improvement. Management knows that and they haven't done anything about it. we want to make sure it does happen. again that is not being adversarial , just calling it like it is.

 

[Lear70]

I haven't chosen sides, frankly. But your written words speak volumes of the mindset of those who would advocate an adversarial relationship, thus losing much of what we have simply to gain representation.

An adversarial relationship with whom? The guy who lost his job or management?

Unionization does NOT automatically ENSURE an adversarial relationship. Southwest has accomplished this quite nicely with spelled out rules, mutually-agreed raises making them the highest-paid narrowbody pilots on the planet (granted in Legacy concessionary times, but still no small feat), while still retaining the ability to work WITH the company.

Name me ONE other airline where the PILOTS are allowed to negotiate DIRECTLY with the hotels to pick hotels, rates, and discounts in the restaurants and bars...

It can be done. Not saying it's easy or a "done deal", but it can.

FlyingTom, I know how you feel. I was termed from airTran last September without grounds, have already won some of my lawsuits, have others (the big $$$ ones) pending.

I do have to say one thing: it's NEVER "a small loss" to be terminated. That stays on your record FOREVER... unless you are successful in SUING for its removal and the company does so in a settlement. It's a terrible thing to be qualified enough to get calls from the Legacy carriers, just to be turned down because you have a termination on your record.

It ruins careers, and if something can be done to get him his job back (I don't know the details) or at least get his termination turned into a resignation with nothing adverse on his record, then I sincerely hope the JBPA helps as much as they can.

 

[SNOWBUM]

motch, I think is great what you do for charity.

the point of the posting was that some JB pilots decided JB needed a union and decided to start the effort, and some other JB pilots decided to help out with money and time. then some non JB pilots decided to send some money because they wanted to help the JB unionization effort, but JBPA did not asked them ( again we do appreciate the support), they did it our of their own personal belief that JBPA will be good for JB,the industry and them.

I still can't understand your point about a loan or a bond when no one from JBPA has asked anyone other than JB pilots for donations. the JB pilots will get more than the interest on a bond when JBPA becomes the bargaining body of JB and negotiates a better contract.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

no adversarial attitude at all. I don't know any JBPA supporter who wants that. everyone would like to see a good working relationship like SWPA. negotiations will be tough, but in the end we all can leave the table feeling we won something. It is up to the company to be adversarial. JBPA is not adversarial at all, we just pointed out the things that need to be change . I don't think that is adversarial.
Yes, I agree maybe I shouldn't have said he didn't miss much, as I believe JB is not a bad place but there is a lot of room for improvement. Management knows that and they haven't done anything about it. we want to make sure it does happen. again that is not being adversarial , just calling it like it is.

When we run out of cash in the next few quarters, none of this will matter.

 

[zkmayo]

I was fired from JB in April and was wondering that if and when you guys and gals organize will you will look into past terminations and try to get there jobs back. I put my faith in the JB Values comitee and to say the least, very disapointed. Thank you for your help.

Tom Mistretta

If you were the one who got canned for yelling at newhire candidates at a job fair while wearing a company id, I say you firing is more than justified.

 

[motch]

SB...

My question was simple...
This thread is called JetBlue Pilots Association DONATIONS!

Why the donations?!

I few people have donated their money. Ok. I just thought it was a fair question to ask why they would do that instead of donating to a charity or worthy cause for people who are down on their luck. Not one person that I know of at JB falls into that category. Again I say.. have a program that promotes the use of open time pickup whereas the pay goes to the association.

And I am aware that there are JB pilots that do NOT want a union. You're gonna have that everywhere. I'm ALPA and am glad to help out in Safety, but am not into the political side... just me.

Be good, fly safe.. got to get ready for my first IOE flight overseas in a few days!

 

[SNOWBUM]

SB...

My question was simple...
This thread is called JetBlue Pilots Association DONATIONS!

Why the donations?!

I few people have donated their money. Ok. I just thought it was a fair question to ask why they would do that instead of donating to a charity or worthy cause for people who are down on their luck. Not one person that I know of at JB falls into that category. Again I say.. have a program that promotes the use of open time pickup whereas the pay goes to the association.

And I am aware that there are JB pilots that do NOT want a union. You're gonna have that everywhere. I'm ALPA and am glad to help out in Safety, but am not into the political side... just me.

Be good, fly safe.. got to get ready for my first IOE flight overseas in a few days!

this tread was started by a ual driver who send money to jbpa ( thank you) and thought it was a good idea for other non jb pilots to do the same . ask him about why he put this thread and title. and why he didn't send his $50 to catholic charities .

Remember JBPA cannot collect any money unless is donated because we are not , yet , the Jet blue pilots bargaining body (no one is).

enjoy your IOE, did the overseas for 6 years , still miss it.

 

[motch]

Thanks man.. looking forward to it. Should be alittle different that taking a FRED overseas. Wonder how long we'll have to wait for the crew bus and the hotel rooms!

As far as the UA guy starting the thread... hopefully he'll chime in here!

Always..

 

[Capi_Cafre']

If the arguments for support are valid, wouldn't it be in ALPA's interest to support the JB pilots' organizing drive regardless of their preference for an in-house solution?

 

[PCL_128]

If you were the one who got canned for yelling at newhire candidates at a job fair while wearing a company id, I say you firing is more than justified.

If the guy he yelled at was a GoJet SCAB, then he was justified in his actions.

 

[PCL_128]

Motch, I sent money because I believe the JetBlue pilots deserve better. They deserve a real contract. They deserve redress of grievances. They deserve better pay for the 190s. Need I go on? Every pilot deserves a union that acts as their advocate. Creating such a union from scratch is difficult, and it's expensive. If I told you how much the Skywest ALPA drive cost, you probably wouldn't even believe me. These things are not cheap. So, in the interest of the profession, and in the interest of the JetBlue pilots, I have no problem with throwing a few bucks their way. It doesn't mean that you can't also give to charity. Give to both.

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

This is 100%, categorically false. Union dues that you pay are deductible. These donations are absolutely not dues. I doubt the IRS will catch anyone doing this. But just try explaining a deduction for a donation to a union start-up...especially on another property. The auditor would absolutely hate it, and would scrutinize everything else with a fine-toothed comb.

Thanks for the support, we promise we will be using our own money for the beer and women yours will be use for JBPA unionization efforts. by the way it is tax deductible.

thanks again

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

There was another guy fired in the past year during newhire training. He was blatantly hitting on someone's VERY underage daughter. When he was told her age and asked to behave, his reply was along the lines of "But she's so hot!"

And Tom, I'm not implying this was you. Just relating a story about another termination.

Good Luck to you, Tom. I hope everything works out for you.

bs

 

[SNOWBUM]

so bob, are you sending any green love to JBPA now that you are flying red belly war birds and making big bucks ?