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I imagine Bloomberg, Hillary Clinton, and Charles Schumer (sp?) would argue with that. JB's upstate service for the last 7 years has created a lot of good will...[/QUOTE]

They would be gone in a NY minute if they couldn'y pay their bills. Having said that I don't believe that JB is headed that way with the Dave and David show running things. Unfortunately JB is still an experiment and it is a rapidly changing environment. I wish them the best but when nobody (delta, nwa, usair, united) went away in the last couple of years it hurt them tremendously.
 
AlbieF15 said:
I imagine Bloomberg, Hillary Clinton, and Charles Schumer (sp?) would argue with that. JB's upstate service for the last 7 years has created a lot of good will...
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Very few people buy tickets based on goodwill. Today people search websites and pick the lowest price, even if it's only a couple of bucks.
JB has the lowest costs and yet still doesn't make money. New rev management people are onboard, hopefully that will make a difference.
 
You UAL guys sure buy into everything....don't you?

Do you really believe that Mrs. Bobsled believes for even one second that she can come back to UAL after she has resigned? Nobody is that stupid.

You guys can believe anything you want...it is a free country. But FWIW, I think you all should buy this bridge I have to sell.......

A350
 
A350 said:
You UAL guys sure buy into everything....don't you?

Do you really believe that Mrs. Bobsled believes for even one second that she can come back to UAL after she has resigned? Nobody is that stupid.

You guys can believe anything you want...it is a free country. But FWIW, I think you all should buy this bridge I have to sell.......

A350
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Source is UAL MEC. Letter read to entire MEC from MsSled requesting her seniority as she was "disappointed" in the company (B6). She wanted to return as her seniority would have allowed her to return as a 767 Captain and the stability of the airline appeared to be leveling out. She was kind enough to point out that without her previous seniority she would just stay at B6. Thought that was really nice of her. So to answer your question as to whether we think for "one second" that she would do this, then YES we do as it happened.

As for buying anything, it appears you might have just purchased the myth that she did not want her old job back.

Can we send a few more your way?
 
AlbieF15 said:
Ms Luge, as you call her, is not looking for her old job or seniority. She's trying to be part of the solution at Jetblue. Whether or not they make it or you approve of her "act", she knew the consequences when she bailed. She was not furloughed--she resigned--and that's a horse of a different color.
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You must be friends with her for such a strong defense. The UAL MEC read in session a letter from MsLuge asking for her return and her previous seniority. Perhaps she did not share that with you as I am sure it required a dose of crow to do so. However, she left UAL with some not so nice words to the group in a snitty letter and complained about her treatment. I guess she did not like to have all the time off she got to go ride a sled down a hill only to be abandoned by my crew just before the Olympics because she was too much of an overbearing person to be a team leader. But hey different slopes for different folks.

In her letter she moaned about being bumped from the 400 to the 777 and the hardship the crew rest area placed upon her. I get misty eyed just thinking about the poor thing and the struggles she had to overcome.

I just wonder how long it will be till she wears out her welcome at B6?
 
MRYFLYER said:
You must be friends with her for such a strong defense. The UAL MEC read in session a letter from MsLuge asking for her return and her previous seniority. Perhaps she did not share that with you as I am sure it required a dose of crow to do so. However, she left UAL with some not so nice words to the group in a snitty letter and complained about her treatment. I guess she did not like to have all the time off she got to go ride a sled down a hill only to be abandoned by my crew just before the Olympics because she was too much of an overbearing person to be a team leader. But hey different slopes for different folks.

In her letter she moaned about being bumped from the 400 to the 777 and the hardship the crew rest area placed upon her. I get misty eyed just thinking about the poor thing and the struggles she had to overcome.

I just wonder how long it will be till she wears out her welcome at B6?
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From all I have heard, IMHO she already did a while back.
 
AlbieF15 said:
United, on the other hand, is what is left of what was a glorious place. However--don't compare the company you are returning to with the one you left. QC the work rules, benefits, etc very closely. Also--United has proven when things get tough you are expendable. They are aggressively flirting with merging with someone or selling off some assets for cash flow.

Good luck...
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Great Advice Albie,
But I gotta call ya out on the selling of assets rumor I keep hearing. Man that rumor has spun out of control. UAL has $5.1BILLION dollars with $4.2Billion in unrestricted cash...Compare that to any other legacy and were not doing so bad. I'm not saying every thing's peachy king but our cash reserves has increased every quarter. Not your classic cash flow problem.

Oh well food for thought in the guy's decision making process, but I do agree on your points about working conditions, pay , possible mergers, ect. But our MEC is aggressively pursuing those area's so I guess time will tell.

Regards

Koko
 
I obviously didn't know about the MEC letter. If that's true--I stand 100% corrected.

I also have had some JB guys indicate some heartburn with said individual. However--I also know anytime you stand out you take some spears. I have reserved judgement. I DO NOT claim to have the full story...so I'll publicly take my crow to chew now.

I wish United no ill will....its just that mergers spook me. CAL managed to avoid BK, so they will resent any attempt to merge a "losing" carrier (that's the business...not the pilots there!) with a "winning" carrier. Any merger kills the junior guy's progression. Good luck to all involved...
 
I googled it.

And it's values like those taught in POL that, in turn, attract people like Bonny Simi. She's one of the hardest sort of people for JetBlue to sign on, an experienced pilot working for a major airline. If pilots switch airlines, they start over, at the bottom rung of seniority. But Simi, a captain at United for 12 years (and three-time Olympic luge slider), wanted to be more engaged with an airline, more inspired.
Wary of a young, unproven airline, she researched the company for six months. The values mirrored her own, but she wanted to be sure they weren't just talk, and that it would be worth taking a big pay cut. She read business-school case studies and SEC filings. She contacted Michael Lazarus, then chairman of JetBlue's board, and grilled him. "This is the next 20 years of my life," she says. "I had to be sure."
Several months into the job, Simi routinely sends Bushy ideas on how to improve safety and standardization. Recently, she walked into the office of Collins, the vice president of system operations, without an appointment to pitch an idea on pilot reports. "Did I feel valued that I had an idea and a vice president here said, 'I like it'? Definitely. That was so cool. Does that inspire me to come up with other ideas to make this a better airline? In a major way."
 
koko nw said:
Great Advice Albie,
But I gotta call ya out on the selling of assets rumor I keep hearing. Man that rumor has spun out of control. UAL has $5.1BILLION dollars with $4.2Billion in unrestricted cash...Compare that to any other legacy and were not doing so bad. I'm not saying every thing's peachy king but our cash reserves has increased every quarter. Not your classic cash flow problem.

Oh well food for thought in the guy's decision making process, but I do agree on your points about working conditions, pay , possible mergers, ect. But our MEC is aggressively pursuing those area's so I guess time will tell.

Regards

Koko
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The last time UAL had that much cash they tried to buy USAir for 60/share. What a disaster that would have been....
 
Its obvious (to the point of being blatantly obvious) that UAL wants to merge. Right now USAir seems to be the only other interested party. Having said that, management teams don't decide, BOD's do.

Just keep that in mind.
 
With 20 years left Captain S is roughly 40 years old and she had been a captain at UAL for 12 years. Upgrading at UAL at the age of 28 is pretty darn rare. Must have been an agonizing decision to leave all that for a start up.
 
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I think somebody said it earlier, but if you base your decision on opinions you read on this board, God help you. No matter what airline you asking about, someones going to bash it and someone who works there is going to get defensive. There's got to be a better source for solid, un-biased info than here.
 
Yeah, but fortune tellers and ouiji boards aren't as interesting....
 
She got hired at United with very low time and experience.

GP
 
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yep, she was a really low timer that fit in perfectly with our hiring culture back then. She will not be missed.

Marty
 
GuppyPuppy said:
She got hired at United with very low time and experience.

GP
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Not only that she used to rag on all the guys who worked at commuters about how she "fits" in at UAL even though she had 325TT! She use to be on the old Compuserve forums I think it was called AVSIG back then.

I am GLAD she is no longer working at UAL. I hope a bunch more of the Wonder Children leave as well!
 
Can we state a few facts about airlines?

First you are hired and given a number.....this number drives everything about your career. Upgrade, payscale, schedules, vacation, and furlough.

Second, once you resign, you are gone. There is no coming back, except at the bottom of the list.

Last. I can say that this pilot.....has to be of at least average intelligence. Any airline pilot of low intelligence knows once they resign, they resign. There is no coming back, no appeal to ALPA, no appeal to anyone.

The fact that you buy into the fact that she would ask the union for her job and number back when they cannot under any circumstances grant her request, even if they wanted to, makes me shout BS on this one.

If she doesn't like it here at B6, she sure has a funny way of showing it.

Sorry for the thread creep.....

A350
 
I don't know anything about the Luge pilot. Her decision was not a bad one at the time under difficult circumstances. Now it looks like the move was not optimal. If I was her and saw a shot to reverse that decision, I probably would too. I won't throw spears.


Back to the topic at hand---If the bypass is no risk, as in the only risk is a couple of more years until another call back, take the job at JetBlue. Trade up to SWA, Airtran, Alaska, Virgin America if possilble before the next recall opportunity.

When do you have to be recalled by to keep your seniority number?

How does your current income now compare to going back to UAL or starting again on first year pay? The longer you bypass the more likely you are to get widebody and avoid the long seat lock on narrowbody.

Lost pay between recalls is a big deal when compared to first year pay at any of your other airline options. If the pay differential is too much to bear go back to UAL now, get the narrowbody seat lock and pray for the best. Something I can say now that I couldn't 2 years ago is--UAL is not going away anytime soon.
 
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A350 said:
The fact that you buy into the fact that she would ask the union for her job and number back when they cannot under any circumstances grant her request, even if they wanted to, makes me shout BS on this one.



A350
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This is America.

People think they are entitled to things that they are not on a regular basis and seem to have no qualms asking for said things.
 
Had a little private conversation....there was NO letter.

I'll eat a little crow when required. Might not be required here.

Anyone who can compete at an Olympic level probably has personality with some STRONG edges. Not everyone digs those types. Then again--not everyone finds fighter pilots cuddly, but I have quite a few that are lifelong friends.

If you hated her at United--you got your wish--she ain't there. She won't be back. Instead of being PO'd, however--you ought to say "thanks...", as everyone moved up a number when she left. (Come to think of it, I wish about 1000 Fedex captains would leave to make a statement too!...maybe that MD11 Capt job wouldn't be so far away...)
 
koko nw said:
Great Advice Albie,
But I gotta call ya out on the selling of assets rumor I keep hearing. Man that rumor has spun out of control. UAL has $5.1BILLION dollars with $4.2Billion in unrestricted cash...Compare that to any other legacy and were not doing so bad. I'm not saying every thing's peachy king but our cash reserves has increased every quarter. Not your classic cash flow problem.

Oh well food for thought in the guy's decision making process, but I do agree on your points about working conditions, pay , possible mergers, ect. But our MEC is aggressively pursuing those area's so I guess time will tell.

Regards

Koko
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Not hard to accumulate that kind of cash when you don't contribute to pensions any more and pay the rates they advertise now!. As for the MEC pursuing things, history has proven they will take care of themselves,,,again!
Mergers/aquisitions....that will be up to Wall Street and only Wall Street!
 

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