Jetblue or spirit

[waveflyer]

Not "YOU" personally, the general industry YOU.

I refuse to believe I'm special enough to win the lotto 6 times. Besides the fact that the "you won the lottery" phrase needs to go away when associated with any airline gig- (I know you weren't saying that, just too close for comfort given airline pilot reality)
Just curious why you'd say that? Impossible to get any US airline job? Or a job worth having?

 

[B6Busdriver]

And this is the reason the ALPA drive failed last time.

No, take the emotion out and think logically. You don't work for Eagle anymore. Wish ya did!

 

[Flyby1206]

No, take the emotion out and think logically. You don't work for Eagle anymore. Wish ya did!

Nope, I sure dont. But blaming jetblue's problems on people who dont even work at the company is just passing the buck. Look around you at the people who have been at the company for a long time and dont want ALPA, that is a much more aggregious failure in my opinion.

 

[145 Lawndart]

Jetblue is a great place to work. Why would you want to burn the house down by bringing in ALPA ?

And this from someone who doesn't even work here

 

[BrickTop]

I refuse to believe I'm special enough to win the lotto 6 times. Besides the fact that the "you won the lottery" phrase needs to go away when associated with any airline gig- (I know you weren't saying that, just too close for comfort given airline pilot reality)
Just curious why you'd say that? Impossible to get any US airline job? Or a job worth having?

Both. Unless you consider 20k a year at XJT or SkyWest with 10 year upgrades a "career" This industry peaked 20 years ago. Being an Airline pilot is yesterdays blacksmith. We're on the way out the door.

 

[waveflyer]

Maybe, but they haven't developed an airliner that can fly w/o two pilots yet, so... I'd say patience is a virtue- and if you don't love flying you should be finding and pursuing what you love anyway-
I'd say pilot boomers have done what corporate boomers have- take what they want through outsourcing and age65- stagnating things under the guise that our unions are all working for everyone's benefit- but my generation and the next is waking up
and boomers a're getting old and slowly getting out of power
Btw, brick top, it never fails- how exactly is one unispired?
Meanwhile, your post just makes no sense, since both carriers in the OP are hiring quite a few- so must not be "impossible"

 

[Smarta$$]

....and this is the problem we have at the Bluejet.

Why? Would he not have to go to the bottom of any list when he gets hired at any major airline?

 

[Lake Alice]

A pilot hired at JetBlue today will never be an 50% line holding airbus captain. If you are ok with that welcome aboard. You will most likely spend the rest of your career as an F/O or a junior/reserve captain. Our upgrade are tied solely to growth and expansion where as other carriers have the above plus retirements.

 

[Smarta$$]

A pilot hired at JetBlue today will never be an 50% line holding airbus captain. If you are ok with that welcome aboard. You will most likely spend the rest of your career as an F/O or a junior/reserve captain. Our upgrade are tied solely to growth and expansion where as other carriers have the above plus retirements.

That is your analysis of the facts, or dare I say, your opinion of what lies ahead for JB's future...

Buy the way, you do realize that JB has 2 aircraft types? With only a 10% pay difference? So, since I won't be a 50% line holder AIRBUS captain (your opinion), then the job isn't worth having? Should people stay at their regional airline hoping SW or Fedex calls someday?

Their is no guarantee that you will be a line holder captain at ANY airline. Can you GUARANTEE me that DL will replace ALL their retired pilots? Can you Guarantee me that any of your favorite legacy airlines will be in business? Not furlough me? Not give up future scope? Not merge and put me on the street (TWA)?

There are NO guarantees at JB, or anywhere else. Instead of arguing about being a 50% line holder AIRBUS captain, which can't be guaranteed at ANY airline, stick to arguing for better retirement, healthcare, pay and so on.

I don't have to fly an airbus to have self worth, and 10% pay difference won't mean the difference between providing for my family or not. Our FO pay and E90 captain pay justify (among many other things) leaving any regional airline for JB. Not to mention, there are not exactly many of YOUR favorite airlines hiring...

But hey, burn it down!

 

[Lake Alice]

Um...for the record...I wasn't being rude, trite, argumentative or negative and certainly not flame bait. All I was doing was pointing out a few potentials. As for the 190 we both know it's time at Jetblue is limited.
Again all I was saying is career progression at ole' bluejet is a little limited based on how traditional career progression is achieved.

As for your self worth I won't touch that

 

[Smarta$$]

Um...for the record...I wasn't being rude, trite, argumentative or negative and certainly not flame bait. All I was doing was pointing out a few potentials. As for the 190 we both know it's time at Jetblue is limited.
Again all I was saying is career progression at ole' bluejet is a little limited based on how traditional career progression is achieved.

As for your self worth I won't touch that

Fair enough. I will enjoy my E90 job until it is eliminated, I am furloughed out of seniority, JB shrinks by 25%, and they refund thousands of customer's tickets that had reservations on the E90...

At least that is what some of the burn-it-down crowd would have you believe. Even if they did sell the E90's, they will replace them with airbuses and still have NET fleet growth. They don't have any choice, our planes are full and our customers want more flights.

I don't really care what they do with the E90. Keep it. Park it. Sell it. Burn it. Don't care. I don't feel it has any impact on my job security, and all options maintain or increase my earning potential.

Other than that, I must have misread your post.

 

[Lake Alice]

It's cool. You didn't misread my post just misunderstood the meaning. I get that a lot.
The 190's arent exactly going away but the 75 "cap" is scheduled to shrink.(don't ask me how I know)
As for the replacements you and I just don't know.

 

[Smarta$$]

It's cool. You didn't misread my post just misunderstood the meaning. I get that a lot.
The 190's arent exactly going away but the 75 "cap" is scheduled to shrink.(don't ask me how I know)
As for the replacements you and I just don't know.

That sure may be the case. Honestly, I just want them to select the best airplane for the mission. Whatever increases the company's prospects. What ever it is, I will fly it.

These days of full airplanes and high fuel costs, probably lend itself to larger aircraft. Fine by me.

 

[Flyby1206]

Sounds like we need to revive the ole Republic/Jetblue swap rumor. All E190s go to Republic and all Frontier Airbuses come to JB. JB winds up with all 319s/320s (321s in future) and Republic gets a big E190 fleet with (possible) jetblue feed contract.

Who knows where the pilots wind up in this deal (bid out of the E190!)

 

[Flyer1015]

Assume a Sept 2010 DOH pilot at JetBlue on the Airbus. Where would this pilot stand schedule wise and upgrade wise? Would he be line holding? Reserve? How much longer for Captain for a late 2010 DOH?