JetBlue/LGA

[lowecur]

sidestick

hummmmmmm... JetBlue Shuttle. Got a little ring to it. I think I like it...... YEP, I like it a lot.....

Sorry, but I just don't see that happening. If it is sold, it will be a bidding war between NWA, Continental, and Branson. B6 will not get in a bidding war. Neeleman is too smart for that.

I've read quite a bit of supposition that Branson is looking to use IAD as his home-base. The shuttle at DCA would be right in the backyard for him.

 

[General Lee]

Lowecur,

Where do you get this info? Mad magazine? I haven't seen anything about IAD---only heard stuff anout Schwarzenegger courting Branson for a SFO hub base. I think the other consideration was BOS. Give your sources or copy it onto this thread. Why would they go to IAD if Indy will be there?


Dizel8,

I bet there are a lot of headaches at the G.O. right now. Sure, this LGA thing could hurt if they get the slots...How did they just ask for 10 slots? I thought we wanted more too? Hmmmm. And, I think the USAir Shuttle would be very expensive, but you are correct---you can't make huge profits as before, although a better economy does cause more businessmen to fly on it. We do pretty well on our older 737-300G's.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Eagleflip]

General Lee wrote:

Is Hillary in bed with Dave?

That's too funny, General! Somehow I just can't picture it.

Being the commuting hound I am, I have seen LGA turn nasty in a simple heartbeat (fall of a snowflake, maybe). We'll have a challenge working out of there for sure, but it'll be...

...interesting!

 

[lowecur]

hen

Lowecur,

Where do you get this info? Mad magazine? I haven't seen anything about IAD---only heard stuff anout Schwarzenegger courting Branson for a SFO hub base. I think the other consideration was BOS. Give your sources or copy it onto this thread. Why would they go to IAD if Indy will be there?

Here's mud in your eye! That foot must be getting awful tired having spent so much time in your mouth. Try doing some research before speculation.


Reuters
Schwarzenegger sells Branson on Calif. airline base
Saturday January 17, 2:46 pm ET


SAN FRANCISCO, Jan 17 (Reuters) - Living up to his promise to be California's most visible salesman, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is lobbying Virgin Atlantic Airways Ltd. (VA.UL) founder Richard Branson to base his fledgling U.S. carrier near San Francisco, an aide to the actor said on Saturday.

"He's working on bringing it to California," a Schwarzenegger aide, who asked not to be named, told Reuters. "The governor is always working on bringing jobs to California and this is one way of doing it."

The lobbying comes amid stiff competition with Boston and Dulles International Airport near Washington, D.C. for Branson's new Virgin USA.

 

[ex208driver]

USAir owns the slots for to and ldg, but to my knowledge, Continental owns the terminal from which USAir flies from and I dont think Bethune or Kellner now is going to let just anyone rent these gates. Whoever gets the slots(DAL or AA) maybe using whatever gates they already have. Also I believe CAL has first right to the gates, USAir cannot sell these to anyone.

 

[General Lee]

Lowecur,

Thanks for actually putting up an article with facts on it. See, you can get me to shut up if you just put the proof in front of my eyes. Good for you. Now, I still think Branson will go for SFO or BOS first before IAD because of Indy's future presence at IAD. We shall see.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[V2+10]

Take care, and I have fun on this forum too--even when 10 guys take me on.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Gee...sort of sounds like a "gangbang"...hmmmm..

V2

 

[Mr Hat]

UAL and American all have NYC bases (IE EWR, JFK and LGA) why is it a big deal for JetBlue to do the same? I believe they all have a 4 hour call out though, you kind of need that if your going serve all three bases as a NYC pilot.

General- EWR is WAY better than LGA. EWR runs like a liberally oiled machine compaired to LGA. OOps someones in the ally, get back in the takeoff line maybe they'll be gone next time round the loop.......Oops someones in the ally, get in the takeoff line maybe theyll be gone next time rount the loop, Oops.........

 

[Intruder One]

You blue aid drinkers are counting your chickens before they hatch.........wanting gates and getting them are two different things.

 

[320AV8R]

ex280driver,

CAL sold the terminal to USAir around 1993, when it decided to beef up EWR instead of expand into LGA. USAir owns the slots too.

 

[Michael Knight]

I think noname is right this move is about being ready to jump on some new routes and new cities in the coming future. More gates might open up sooner than y'all think.

And please... fly your freakin airplanes and you would know that the Song menu changes each month... there is no sushi no more! We'll, at least til they add it back again.

 

[General Lee]

Michael Knight,

Are you sure? Not even on the JFK flights to LAS? I really don't order that on the flights anyway, but I was pretty sure I saw some with a passenger a couple weeks ago...????

Bye Bye--General Lee


PS. I also am interested in how jetblue will get the slots and gates at LGA. Will Dave Neeleman be Hillary's VP in 2008? What is going on there? Also, when the wx goes down--LGA and EWR really seem to take it in the shorts--more than JFK I think.

 

[Skank]

Dave has a lot better taste than that(the bed thing I don't want to repeat), but as far as EWR goes, you can keep it.

 

[a320drivr]

The rumour I heard is that we have secured 2 gates at the marine terminal that DAL is not using and the port authority wants to lease them out. Again, thats just what I heard. Dont know if its true.

 

[G4G5]

It doesn't work that way.

Who remembers TWA operating just one daily flight of their JFK domestic terminal? Just to keep the entire terminal. One flight a day met the PANYNJ requirement and their was nothing they could do about it.

DAL first has to surrender those gates, Not happening. They purchased those from Pan Am for millions over a decade ago. Does someone actually think they will just give them up?

The only way into the Marine air terminal is if DAL leases those gates. To B6, highly unlikely. The PANYNJ has specific rules about gates. They are leased, bought, sold and even mortaged BUT NOT given back.

Slots are very different. They are offered up if and when they become available. What happens is the PANYNJ first advises the carrier that they need to use the slot or surrender it. Then if the carrier decides to use it, the slot is no longer available.

This is why airlines like AMR have purchased Biz Express and TWA, for thier gates and slots.

Bethune is on record as wanting to expand his LGA presence. He consistantly tries for more slots. CAL even holds the right of first refusal on the USAir terminal. If they go CH7 CAL has the right to move in the next day. They purchased this right from Eastern at the BK auction(according to the WSJ).

Other LCC's like ATA and Spirit will also want any part of those 10 slots that come up for auction.

IMHO, this is just B6's way of forcing the legacy carriers into using all of thier slots (like AA did at LGB).

Use it or lose it.

 

[ex208driver]

Cal still has the first rights to the USAir gates at LGA. That is the reason Expressjet tried to expand there in 2000-2001 time frame, but with the delays rippling thru the system just disrupted the ops on the east coast and they finally stopped this before September 01.

 

[ex208driver]

found in the 10k filing 4/22/03

We remain contingently liable until December 1, 2015, for US Airways' obligations under a lease agreement between US Airways and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey related to the East End Terminal at LaGuardia airport. These obligations include the payment of ground rentals to the Port Authority and the payment of principal and interest on $182 million par value special facilities revenue bonds issued by the Port Authority. US Airways has not yet decided whether to assume or reject the lease in its bankruptcy. US Airways is required to remain current on all obligations under the lease that arise after the filing of bankruptcy until they make such decision. If US Airways defaults on these obligations, we will be required to cure the default, and we would have the right to occupy the terminal after US Airways' interest in the lease has been terminated. If US Airways rejects the lease, we will become liable for all obligations under the lease and will have the immediate right to occupy the terminal

Just thought I would share what you apparently dont know. Cal still owns the terminal and gates, USAir didnt buy them in 1993.

 

[G4G5]

found in the 10k filing 4/22/03

We remain contingently liable until December 1, 2015, for US Airways' obligations under a lease agreement between US Airways and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey related to the East End Terminal at LaGuardia airport. These obligations include the payment of ground rentals to the Port Authority and the payment of principal and interest on $182 million par value special facilities revenue bonds issued by the Port Authority. US Airways has not yet decided whether to assume or reject the lease in its bankruptcy. US Airways is required to remain current on all obligations under the lease that arise after the filing of bankruptcy until they make such decision. If US Airways defaults on these obligations, we will be required to cure the default, and we would have the right to occupy the terminal after US Airways' interest in the lease has been terminated. If US Airways rejects the lease, we will become liable for all obligations under the lease and will have the immediate right to occupy the terminal

Just thought I would share what you apparently dont know. Cal still owns the terminal and gates, USAir didnt buy them in 1993.

Thanks, I knew that I read it somewhere but I could not fnd the exact verbage.

So that leaves nowhere for B6 to operate 10 flights a day out of LGA. Unless B6 offers to purchase the gates from USAir. I believe that his is possible because Bonderman has listed the Shuttle for sale with associated gates. Even if that is the case they will not come cheap. USAir is highly unlikly to lease out the gates because of their current financial situtation( 1 mill a day loss). They need the big cash up front, in order to satisfy the ATSB minimum cash requirements.

Their is no space in the NWA-DAL terminal. Their is no space in the C and D finger gates that AA owns. The A and B fingers are dominated by the LCC's, each of which, like CAL want to expand.

Even if 10 slots were available, any current LGA resident would have preference with the PANYNJ because the have the gates facilities and personal to operate the slots.

 

[General Lee]

I just can't see Delta giving up any gates at the MAT (Marine Air Terminal). They haven't cut the number of flights per day out of the MAT, only downsized the aircraft sizes. (from 738 to 737-300G and occasional CRJ for extra pax) I doubt it. LGA is a tight fit and maybe they could buy a couple expensive gates from USAir....?

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Michael Knight]

There is no crystal ball, time will tell.