JetBlue in full meltdown mode

[xray678]

The biggest problem is the lack of legal-to-start, legal-to-finish.

So many opportunities for crews to get stranded at an outstation.

The lack of legal to start legal to finish is going to kill the US carriers in competition with international airlines. Think about it, a BA jet and a Delta jet both take off from Europe on the way to JFK. Both divert to BDL because of bad weather at JFK. When the Delta crew hits the ground in BDL they are dead in the water, but the BA crew can refuel and continue. How long before passengers start to book away fom US carriers?

 

[xray678]

FAR 117 is a step in the right direction if your priority is having well rested pilots at the controls. If your priority is pushing pilots beyond the point of exhaustion, to save a few bucks, then you might have a point.

Let's see how great you think it is when you realize you are having to fly two extra days each month to get the same number of hours.

 

[CRJ puppy]

The lack of legal to start legal to finish is going to kill the US carriers in competition with international airlines. Think about it, a BA jet and a Delta jet both take off from Europe on the way to JFK. Both divert to BDL because of bad weather at JFK. When the Delta crew hits the ground in BDL they are dead in the water, but the BA crew can refuel and continue. How long before passengers start to book away fom US carriers?

This is not true with an augmented crew. Very few international ops without augmented crews.

 

[FDJ2]

Let's see how great you think it is when you realize you are having to fly two extra days each month to get the same number of hours.

By that logic we should get rid of all FTDT limits so we can make the same number of hours in fewer days.

It's a safety issue, first and foremost.

 

[FDJ2]

are you kidding me? FAR 117 goes so far beyond anything that was needed its a joke.

You base your premise on what?

 

[FDJ2]

Based on WHOSE time zone? Yours? Your partner's? The airline's home base?

You flew a leg from Teterboro to Geneva. Now what time benchmark do you use?

After 18 years of worldwide international flying, I can tell you that all that fancy circadian science goes RIGHT OUT THE WINDOW when you land in Singapore. Or Helsinki. Or Santiago.

Jet lag affects everybody differently and just because somebody claims the new rules are based on "science" doesn't mean it works in the real world. Especially in the unscheduled operations world.

You point out the flaws in the old regs quite well. I'm glad to see the new regs account for a pilot's WOCL and adjust duty times to a pilots acclimated circadian rhythm.

 

[twott driver]

The lack of legal to start legal to finish is going to kill the US carriers in competition with international airlines. Think about it, a BA jet and a Delta jet both take off from Europe on the way to JFK. Both divert to BDL because of bad weather at JFK. When the Delta crew hits the ground in BDL they are dead in the water, but the BA crew can refuel and continue. How long before passengers start to book away fom US carriers?

The European airlines have been operating under rest rules that 117 was based on, FOR YEARS! Try doing some research before making crap up.

 

[michael707767]

You base your premise on what?

private response coming your way.

 

[Skank]

How long did the airlines have to prepare for 117? Was it 1 year?


Bye Bye---General Lee

Yeah, but we're so clever we waited until January 4 to go live. It worked out really well.

 

[General Lee]

The lack of legal to start legal to finish is going to kill the US carriers in competition with international airlines. Think about it, a BA jet and a Delta jet both take off from Europe on the way to JFK. Both divert to BDL because of bad weather at JFK. When the Delta crew hits the ground in BDL they are dead in the water, but the BA crew can refuel and continue. How long before passengers start to book away fom US carriers?

That really doesn't happen that often. It will not KILL the US Carriers. And does BA provide connections within the US? Ummm, no. Many people fly US carriers to connect in NYC to smaller US cities. Come on now...


Bye Bye----General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

The European airlines have been operating under rest rules that 117 was based on, FOR YEARS! Try doing some research before making crap up.

Thank you
Was going to say the same

Bubble perspective-Some of you guys are just dumb about anything different than what you're used to

 

[relief tube]

Check CNN.com...COO blaming 117, but ALPA is calling him out on it. Hilarious...and sad.

nice reasoning, coming from the airline that was the reason the tarmac delay program was started (jfk meltdown a few years ago).

such joy they have brought to this industry in their storied 15 years existence.....the airline whose pilots rely on everyone else to get to/from work.

 

[Saluki Dawg]

nice reasoning, coming from the airline that was the reason the tarmac delay program was started (jfk meltdown a few years ago).

such joy they have brought to this industry in their storied 15 years existence.....the airline whose pilots rely on everyone else to get to/from work.

14 Years!

 

[relief tube]

You base your premise on what?

case in point- I got to the hotel at 830pm (2 hours late tonight). a quick overnight that allows me to get home at 3pm tomorrow.

because of that delay, tomorrows flight will be 2 hours delayed getting out, and i miss the early flight home.

all because they think i need to be going to bed at 730pm.

who the F--- goes to bed before 9 or 930!

 

[gutshotdraw]

You point out the flaws in the old regs quite well. I'm glad to see the new regs account for a pilot's WOCL and adjust duty times to a pilots acclimated circadian rhythm.

Nice avoidance of the question.

WHOSE BODY CLOCK? I'm a west coast guy. If I get paired with an east coast guy, WHOSE clock do we use? We usually aren't in Geneva, or Singapore, or wherever to get acclimated to local time. It's a CHARLIE FOXTROT regulation and I can only hope that the goat rope implimentation we're seeing in 121 will keep the Fed at bay when it comes to 91K/135 ops.