JetBlue in full meltdown mode

[General Lee]

Check CNN.com...COO blaming 117, but ALPA is calling him out on it. Hilarious...and sad.

How long did the airlines have to prepare for 117? Was it 1 year?


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Mercyful Fate]

How long did the airlines have to prepare for 117? Was it 1 year?


Bye Bye---General Lee

No problems at Delta. They are getting 88 717's....

 

[Flyer1015]

No problems at Delta. They are getting 88 717's....

Hate General all you want but he is dead accurate on this one. The airlines had at least one full year to prepare for 117.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Problem is, 117 is a dorked up, overly complicated, next-to-impossible-to-fully-comply-with, counterproductive goat-screw of epic proportions.

 

[nwaf16dude]

I wonder how much recently losing 30+ captains to delta recalls played into this?

 

[FDJ2]

Problem is, 117 is a dorked up, overly complicated, next-to-impossible-to-fully-comply-with, counterproductive goat-screw of epic proportions.

FAR 117 is a step in the right direction if your priority is having well rested pilots at the controls. If your priority is pushing pilots beyond the point of exhaustion, to save a few bucks, then you might have a point.

 

[n757st]

I wonder how much recently losing 30+ captains to delta recalls played into this?

We have close to 1300 captains, 30 didn't effect them much.

 

[RiddleEagle18]

I wonder how much recently losing 30+ captains to delta recalls played into this?

In this case it didnt. Most of the cnx were actually do to lack of FA's.

Overall there is an attitude of "screw it" with almost every employee group I talked to in the past week. You can only crap on your employees so long before all the good will is gone.

 

[gutshotdraw]

FAR 117 is a step in the right direction if your priority is having well rested pilots at the controls. If your priority is pushing pilots beyond the point of exhaustion, to save a few bucks, then you might have a point.

My priority is rested pilots with a SIMPLE, EASY TO FOLLOW REST RULE.

Minimum rest period is 10 hours behind the door.

No rest period shorter than the preceding duty period, rounded up. 10:30 of duty? 11 off. 11:05 of duty? 12 off. Etc.

Cross more than 3 time zones? Additional hour of rest for each time zone crossed in excess of 3.

Simple. Predictable. Easy to calculate.

Remember, "no operator may assign and no pilot may accept" is the standard. It's ultimately on YOU to comply. Do you know every in and out of the "circadian" limitations? Is it based on YOUR home base time? Your partner's home base time? The airline's home base time? What about when you're international? You need a frickin Cray supercomputer to keep track of it. It's a JOKE.

If they extend this rule to 91K and 135 as some of my misguided colleagues hope, I GUARANTEE our scheduling will violate it left and right because THEY won't be able to figure it out and dozens of pilots will get violated as a result. AND the operation will likely melt down.

 

[livin'thesim]

The biggest problem is the lack of legal-to-start, legal-to-finish.

So many opportunities for crews to get stranded at an outstation.