jetBlue hires Freedom types!?!

[100LL... Again!]

When airlines hire people like this, it proves once and ofr all that chraracter does not really matter.

If they can be rewarded for doing what they did, I guess the genie is out of the bottle.

Freedom still hiring btw...?

 

[T-Gates]

100LL...

The non-union Freedom of old is dead. The Freedom "A" pilots have been re-integrated into the Mesa seniority list as far as I know.

 

[g159av8tor]

Yes, true by definition those previously at Freedom Air are not Scabs. The fact they are much worse than that is a matter a matter of perspective. jetBlue, as a non-union shop, would have no protocol to inquire about that terrible scenario.

All I can say is congratulations for their career advancement, albeit at the cost of all the other ALPA pilots. Hypothetically, what would happen if Blue ever unionized?

Tailwinds...

 

[Skank]

Another question. How are the ALPA represented companies screening them out? I've been told that WN is carefully screening them out. True? Legal? I for one don't know how you could do it (considering all the legalities concerning hiring), but I'll try the rubber hose method next time I get the opportunity.

 

[Skank]

BTW, my brain is about due for it's annual washing. Thanks for reminding me.

 

[FR8AINTGR8]

Well, since we're one the subject, anybody have a list of the Freedumb people? PM if necessary, never EVEN SEEN the list above, good stuff to have.

 

[pipejockey]

One who will work at an airline formed to force another airlines pilots who are in contract negotiations to have to settle for a sub-par contract, are the same ones who will fly struck work! If Mesa Pilots walked the line freedumbasses would fly the routes. Its just that simple!

 

[GogglesPisano]

Another question. How are the ALPA represented companies screening them out? I've been told that WN is carefully screening them out. True? Legal? I for one don't know how you could do it (considering all the legalities concerning hiring), but I'll try the rubber hose method next time I get the opportunity.

We all know that airlines turn candidates down without explanation.

As far as scabs at other airlines (CAL, UAL ...)I think these guys crossed at their own airlines and stayed on. They weren't hired off the streets after they had scabbed.

Freedom guys are not scabs, they were either anti-union and followed their beliefs, or were simply self-serving and looking out for number one (my money's on the latter.)

 

[ChinaClipper]

Hey Pipejockey......

the Freedumbasses WERE taking our jobs, unlike other "threats" to other pilot groups, were we getting our flying turned over to those ba$tards as fast as they could take delivery. Its one thing to talk crap about Mesa pilots and then bend over for your own "concessions," Mesa pilots actually HAD their flying taken awayFAST. It was designed by JO and Mike Lotz to be that way, for maximum impact. Guys were getting 88 hr lines awarded, then replaced by Freedumb and getting put on RSV and pay drops to 70 hrs and ALPA could do nothing! The pilots, 77% anyway, voted to save their jobs, I voted no. Apathy was the culprit, enabled by a lame MEC and a worried ALPA national.

 

[ACT700]

That's not surprising that jetBlue hired those Freedom guys. There are a bunch of scabs from other airlines (ex. EAL) working there already.

 

[DGdaPilot]

If management takes care of it's employees, then unions are not really needed, right? I know it's rare, but that's my impression. Correct me if I am wrong.

 

[SRJ]

I think it is funny how mad MESA pilots get at Freedom pilots for apparently taking their jobs when the Mesa pilots are basically doing the same thing to the rest of the industry.

 

[Kaman]

I was really surprised to see Clay Lacy on that list...

 

[91100 100 set]

interesting list...

I had never actually "seen" such a complete scab list. I did used to carry around a Freedom list that I picked up in the USEX crewroom in PHL, but it was very short (only 20-30 names), and considering it was out in plain view for all to take, I don't know how official it was (since it was just pinned to the board and not in a locked ALPA board).

I noticed that a few folks on the list were ATC scabs in the remarks area, but there was no dedicated section of the list for them. Aviation is a small world, and I figure that there are some of them floating around in the airlines (my company had one, but he's now working for a contract tower in the northeast). Their actions might not have been a direct attack on our profession, it was an attack on organized labor.

 

[Skank]

ACT what is a bunch? I could only find one, far fewer than any other major. But thanks for the unsubstantiated rumor mongering, it works well for you.

 

[sf3boy]

Skank,
I think WN screening out scabs in the interview process is a good practice. WN runs a fun, and profitable airline. They have a very specific recipe for success that no other current 121 operator can compete with. That being said, when they interview people for positions with their airline they do not want to see people come in and stir the coals of any ill feelings in the cockpit, on the ramp, or in the board room.

As far as being a legal practice...who cares. UA, NW,US and others all are proud to have hiring practices that eliminates qualified applicants just to hire less or unqualified applicants. Is that legal? Sure it is. They can hire anyone they want.

 

[AviatorTx]

Mr. Thread starter: Nice try. Now, does anyone have anything real we can discuss?

Yes. I heard you Jet Blue pilots have to help clean the airplane (including the lav) between turns. Is this true?

I am not trying to start sh*t here, I promise. I really heard that and just want to see if it's true. Thanks.

As far as the SCAB talk. Here is the definition straight from Websters:

Main Entry: 1scab
Pronunciation: 'skab
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, of Scandinavian origin; akin to Old Swedish skabbr scab; akin to Old English sceabb scab, Latin scabere to scratch -- more at SHAVE
1 : scabies of domestic animals
2 : a crust of hardened blood and serum over a wound
3 a : a contemptible person b (1) : a worker who refuses to join a labor union (2) : a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended (3) : a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike (4) : one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms
4 : any of various bacterial or fungus diseases of plants characterized by crustaceous spots; also : one of the spots

 

[ILStoMinimums]

Yes. I heard you Jet Blue pilots have to help clean the airplane (including the lav) between turns. Is this true?

I am not trying to start sh*t here, I promise. I really heard that and just want to see if it's true. Thanks.

As far as the SCAB talk. Here is the definition straight from Websters:

Main Entry: 1scab
Pronunciation: 'skab
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, of Scandinavian origin; akin to Old Swedish skabbr scab; akin to Old English sceabb scab, Latin scabere to scratch -- more at SHAVE
1 : scabies of domestic animals
2 : a crust of hardened blood and serum over a wound
3 a : a contemptible person b (1) : a worker who refuses to join a labor union (2) : a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended (3) : a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike (4) : one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms
4 : any of various bacterial or fungus diseases of plants characterized by crustaceous spots; also : one of the spots

Highly doubt it - but don't know.

 

[Skank]

Absolutely true. I lick the toilet clean myself. Sorry, for the sarcasm. Actually, most of us do help in the back. Nobody from the flight or inflight crew touches the lav. If you think that this is an odd practice, then say so at your interview. We'd like to know. BTW, noone is required to help. If you worked here you'd know why we want to help. If you can't believe or understand the practice, then I don't think there is anything I can say here that will change your feelings. If doing a little cleaning belittles you, you aren't all that big to begin with.

 

[AviatorTx]

Skank,

Thanks. Like I said, I was not trying to be a smart@$$ (this time), I had just heard that and wanted to know.

Thanks for being honest. "To each his own" holds true here. I meant no disrespect in the question.