Jetblue ERJ's

[zonker]

As it turns out, I agree with both of you guys, but I'm not sure it'll do much good to talk about it here. I sincerely hope that you wrote about this in the last Speak Up survey, where it'll have the most impact. Somebody had to say it, and the more the better.

Would be worth mentioning at the next pocket session, too. This is a disappointing issue for me as well. I think it is for a lot of people.

 

[j41driver]

Not that it's going to matter but Embraer lists their aircraft as the ERJ-135, ERJ-140, ERJ-145, Embraer 170, Embraer 175, Embraer 190, and Embraer 195. Perhaps this is to differentiate between the "RJ's" (ERJ-XXX) and the "Non-RJ's" (Embraer XXX).

 

[Mr Hat]

Yes, thats exactly why they did that (Embraer). I read an artical a while back that they realized that scope restrictions would make this a better choice for the mainline than for the feeders. Hence the change. They are marketing it as a mainline airplane.


Bill, your a dork.

 

[Bill Nelson]

I'm a dork? Look at your avatar and those dorky blue shirts you guys wear. I think I will allow you RJ guys to keep the dork title for another day.

Sorry, I didn't look at your profile before I posted. I didn't realize you flew for Mesa, not JB. Your still a dork though.

 

[Lear70]

(chanting)
I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I? I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I?

MY PLANE IS BIGGER THAN YOUR PLANE! MY DAD CAN BEAT UP YOUR DAD! MOOOOOOMMMMMMYYYYYY... HE'S PICKING ON ME!

Whatever happened to civil discussion?

"Civility is the first casualty to ignorance or arrogance."

 

[lowecur]

So you guys and gals at B6 don't like the coming B scale for the 190's?

Wake up and smell the coffee folks. Republic has already purchased the 170, and their options include upgrades for the 175, 190, 195(up to 50 to be exact). While MDA is limitd to the 170/175, if they are still around in a few years, you will probably see the 190/195 on property.

Mesa is talking about the 190, and so is SkyWest. They will buy these plans to hedge their bets just as Republic has done. These three will probably be flying some independent routes in the next few years, and Jetblue will need to compete price-wise with them.

It's better to have the B-scale from the beginning rather than trying to wrangle it at a later date.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

I can assure you, that PAX will like the -170/190 a lot better than any of the previous "RJs".

The big feature that the Embraers have is 2+2 seating. PAX complained LOUDLY about the middle seat, so Embraer removed it.

As someone else noted, the 737 and DC-9 WERE originally marketed and designed as regional jets.

All that matters is that U get to fly, and U feel U R paid a decent wage with decent work rules. I'd fly a recip if it was a "better" job, in my opinon, than my current jet job. I don't care if it has 30 seats, 100, 500 or 0 seats. I also don't care how fast or high it flies.

CLiff
LRD

 

[SOVT]

To throw a little fuel on this fire...

My type application reads ERJ-170. Why? Because the Feds say so.

 

[Blue Dude]

Well I guess that settles it, then. It's an RJ. Never mind.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Reading through all 48 of these posts regarding whether new Embraer 170/190's are RJ's or not, I can now more fully understand why my wife thinks pilots are such idiots!! You guys really need to get a life ......



PHXFLYR

 

[Airpiraterob]

im my opinion (not that it matters), a regional jet is a jet that goes where you want it to go but with comprimises all the time in passenger weight or cargo weight or fuel weight. a real jet is one that takes everything you want it to take and is never outsized or overloaded and capable of performing in all thats required ....no comprimises.

so ive been speaking to gate agents and some of the people who handle operations of these new 170s and i'm hoping someone can straighten some things out as truth or just minor occasional annoyances.

THEORY, the 170: load it up with max passengers, all the fuel you need, and the weights all come out fine. your carry-on roller bag actually fits in the overhead just fine now, but the bags underneath wont fit. the CUBIC VOLUME size of the cargo hold is too small. you'd think thered be some homework going on down in brazil. i mean other countries dont travel with their things in plastic bags slung over their backs...did they forget this? (bad humor attempt)...does it do this? is this a problem with this plane now? if so this = comprimise = regional jet

FACT, the 145: take the 145RJ and fill it up with 50 people, add weather at your destination, and the route youre on now requires you to dump people in order to make takeoff weight. (or landing weight + burnoff)....this is comprimise, this = regional jet

ive been on a 737 and shorty DC-9 and shorty 727 and ive never heard an announcement asking for volunteers to catch the next flight cause theyre overloaded. it only happens with the currently classified regional-type planes.

 

[RocketRob]

I think the term Regional Jet applies to any jet powered aircraft (regardless of range) whose flight crew are underpaid and overworked.

 

[saltyswede]

737 - 200 has to leave bags or passangers all summer long if they fly any distance. Sorry we can't let you ride weight restricted DC-9 from Atl

 

[kaki]

I don't think that size determines wether an aircraft is a regional jet or not. It is all about what routes they fly:

Cathay Pacific calls their 777's "regional jets" because they fly them in Asia.

Japan Airlines calls some of their 747's "regional jets" because they fly domestic routes with 600 pax on board.

As far as the payscale arguments I think pay-rates should be compared according to MTGW regardless of wether or not the aircraft is labeled as an RJ (ERJ, CRJ, FRJ etc)