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holdon said:
While I agree with Skirt, I certainly don't agree with the pay rates. However, I do have every belief that our management will "do the right thing" and adjust the pay rates when the A/C proves itself. When? Who knows. My guess is (I hope I'm wrong and it's sooner)....but somewhere in the next 14-18 months. As the upgrade time gets longer on the 190 we are going to have to pay higher rates to keep classes filled.
As you've heard a few times the 320 paid pretty low wages (relative) when it was launched. I think our management team has a pretty logical approach to how they deal with business decisions like these. " We don't want to promise something and have to take it away (ie.pay) We would rather have it on property, make sure it does what it's supposed to do, then spread the rewards"

As of right now, it's still going through some growing pains but quickly becoming a great airplane for the mission it was designed. Time will tell but I do believe there are hundreds of markets this Airplane will do well in and generate some great revenue for the bottom line.

Last I checked the A320 was not launched by Jetblue. UAL,AWA,NWA and many others had flown the aircraft profitably for years. So I disagree with your argument on why the pay on the A320 was raised. Any chance they had to raise it to get folks to stop going to other airlines? Just a question.
 
MickeySlapnutz said:
But lets be clear....its not for the pay on the 190. Its to get a number on the seniority list.

I'd take it even one step further Mickey......it's not even to get the seniority number because the difference is only about a month between the two. The REAL reason guys are taking the 190 over the bus is because the upgrade for a guy hired today into the 320 is going to be around 4 years, just to sit on reserve for 18-24 monts. The upgrade to capt on the 190 is around 12-13 months, and the guys are going to make more $$ and have much better QOL schedule-wise on the 190 as a Capt then they will as a FO on the bus.
 
MickeySlapnutz said:
Last I checked the A320 was not launched by Jetblue. UAL,AWA,NWA and many others had flown the aircraft profitably for years. So I disagree with your argument on why the pay on the A320 was raised. Any chance they had to raise it to get folks to stop going to other airlines? Just a question.


Do you use the word launched in the same context as "launched the space shuttle"? how many have been flown now? I guess the last one was not "launched" as they had done it before?
Oh and NWA UAL AMR and AWA were all hiring at the time of the 320 rate increase right?
 
Neil Eubich said:
I'd take it even one step further Mickey......it's not even to get the seniority number because the difference is only about a month between the two. The REAL reason guys are taking the 190 over the bus is because the upgrade for a guy hired today into the 320 is going to be around 4 years, just to sit on reserve for 18-24 monts. The upgrade to capt on the 190 is around 12-13 months, and the guys are going to make more $$ and have much better QOL schedule-wise on the 190 as a Capt then they will as a FO on the bus.

pass a match for the bong...
 
elag777 said:
Do you use the word launched in the same context as "launched the space shuttle"? how many have been flown now? I guess the last one was not "launched" as they had done it before?
Oh and NWA UAL AMR and AWA were all hiring at the time of the 320 rate increase right?

Not sure what your getting at with the launched thing. I was just responding to what the other guy had said.

Yes....all the majors were hiring when JB scheduled the raise.
 
Neil Eubich said:
I'd take it even one step further Mickey......it's not even to get the seniority number because the difference is only about a month between the two. The REAL reason guys are taking the 190 over the bus is because the upgrade for a guy hired today into the 320 is going to be around 4 years, just to sit on reserve for 18-24 monts. The upgrade to capt on the 190 is around 12-13 months, and the guys are going to make more $$ and have much better QOL schedule-wise on the 190 as a Capt then they will as a FO on the bus.

Ok. How many guys have upgraded from 190 FO to Capt. on the 190?
 
MickeySlapnutz said:
Yes....all the majors were hiring when JB scheduled the raise.

I am pretty sure that the pay raise was in Oct 2001. Plenty of majors were furloughing there. Don't know of any who were continuing to hire.

Mike
 
MickeySlapnutz said:
Ok. How many guys have upgraded from 190 FO to Capt. on the 190?

Hmm, let's see, the first FO's started in August, and now it is 5 months later in January. Since upgrades will be around a year, the senior FO has not yet upgraded. I just flew with one of the most senior FO's and he is looking forward to a July-August upgrade, right on schedule.

Skirt
 
skirt said:
Hmm, let's see, the first FO's started in August, and now it is 5 months later in January. Since upgrades will be around a year, the senior FO has not yet upgraded. I just flew with one of the most senior FO's and he is looking forward to a July-August upgrade, right on schedule.

Skirt

So the answer is 0.
 
MickeySlapnutz said:
Ok. How many guys have upgraded from 190 FO to Capt. on the 190?

Well, since the first 190 FO was just trained a few months ago and I said the upgrade to 190 CA was about 12-13 month, you do the math......
 
Neil Eubich said:
I'd take it even one step further Mickey......it's not even to get the seniority number because the difference is only about a month between the two. The REAL reason guys are taking the 190 over the bus is because the upgrade for a guy hired today into the 320 is going to be around 4 years, just to sit on reserve for 18-24 monts. The upgrade to capt on the 190 is around 12-13 months, and the guys are going to make more $$ and have much better QOL schedule-wise on the 190 as a Capt then they will as a FO on the bus.
That doesn't say much about the rates or the quality of life on the Bus then.

FJ
 
Falconjet said:
That doesn't say much about the rates or the quality of life on the Bus then.

FJ

ill chime in on this.....2 months on reserve, and 200 and change from upgrade on the bus due to the 2 year fence on the 190. i figure possibly a 1 1/2 to 2 year upgrade on the bus now. my qol on the bus is great!
 
Falconjet said:
That doesn't say much about the rates or the quality of life on the Bus then.

FJ

What do you mean......my point is that you can make a lot more money and have a better schedule sooner if you take the 190 as opposed to staying on the bus as a FO. I'm not saying the quality of life or the $$ is bad as a 320 FO, just that your seniority will be better quicker and you are paid more and can stay as a 190 CA until you're ready for the 320 CA upgrade, either at first opportunity, wait until you can hold a line, etc......buy I suspect I didn't need to explain that to you and that you just wanted a chance to take a little dig at JB.....again.....
 
That Guy said:
Yes, and the point?

You have quite a bit of empty space below your messages...is that intentional?


The point being the upgrade time may or may not be short. Until someone actually does upgrade from FO to CA its all speculation. Anything can happen.
 

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