i have a question. i interviewed with jetblue back in jan 2001. made it all the way to the final review board before i got shot down. was told that i needed some pic time. since then i have upgraded in the dash 8 and i am coming up on a 1000 pic. 5000 total. do i have a chance of getting called in for a interview or am i just dreaming.
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propjok,
Not a soul on this board has a crystal ball to knowingly say whether you have a chance or not to interview. However, I'm sure you realize the experience of the pilots currently in the application database. As soon as you get the minimum requirements, appy. Then, update your app as often as you feel is necessary. Eventually, I would think you will get the chance again. Good luck, be patient and keep the faith.
Not a soul on this board has a crystal ball to knowingly say whether you have a chance or not to interview. However, I'm sure you realize the experience of the pilots currently in the application database. As soon as you get the minimum requirements, appy. Then, update your app as often as you feel is necessary. Eventually, I would think you will get the chance again. Good luck, be patient and keep the faith.
you know that is a really good ?. at the time i think i had about 3700 tt no pic time. i was the only guy at the interview without any pic time (121). i think they were calling anyone who met the minimums at that time. i was just wondering if it helped that i already interviewed and made it all the way to the final review board. i would think my backround and ref. were all ok.
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If you are interested in working there, you should keep your application updated, but I wouldn't hold my breath for anything to happen anytime soon. I interviewed there in June '00. It was one of my best interviews ever, but I guess it wasn't good enough.
I had about 7500 hrs with 1000 hrs of turbine 121 PIC.
As I approached the 6 month mark, they raised the bar to 200o turbine PIC. When I got about 2000 turbine PIC, Dean Melonis? told a friend of mine who was trying to help get me in that I needed 2000 hrs of jet PIC. He made it clear that turbine PIC wasn't good enough. I was getting close to upgrading into the EMB jet when I found out that JB upped the bar to Airbus time being a unwritten requirement. That's the point where I went to plan B and went to a different carrier on my list.
My friends who work at JB tell me that they are hiring alot of military pilots and guys with plenty of time from the Boeing and Airbus line. They haven't heard of anyone coming from the regionals. I'm only speculating, but I believe that they stopped hiring the regional pilots because their upgrade program had about a 40 percent failure rate. That's just my guess.
Now that I'm in a Boeing, I voiced my hopes to a friend that maybe I'll be qualified and will retry in a year. He told me that he really doesn't think it's going to happen, given the current trend of people they've been hiring. That's the point where I became a bitter pilot.
I'm not trying to tell you to give up, as things over there seem to change on a daily basis, but I wouldn't withold myself from any other opportunities that may pop up for you.
I'm sure I'll forgive them someday and try again. By that time I'm sure I'll have enough of the right time. But with my luck, they'll probably tell me that I have too much time.
Good luck!
I had about 7500 hrs with 1000 hrs of turbine 121 PIC.
As I approached the 6 month mark, they raised the bar to 200o turbine PIC. When I got about 2000 turbine PIC, Dean Melonis? told a friend of mine who was trying to help get me in that I needed 2000 hrs of jet PIC. He made it clear that turbine PIC wasn't good enough. I was getting close to upgrading into the EMB jet when I found out that JB upped the bar to Airbus time being a unwritten requirement. That's the point where I went to plan B and went to a different carrier on my list.
My friends who work at JB tell me that they are hiring alot of military pilots and guys with plenty of time from the Boeing and Airbus line. They haven't heard of anyone coming from the regionals. I'm only speculating, but I believe that they stopped hiring the regional pilots because their upgrade program had about a 40 percent failure rate. That's just my guess.
Now that I'm in a Boeing, I voiced my hopes to a friend that maybe I'll be qualified and will retry in a year. He told me that he really doesn't think it's going to happen, given the current trend of people they've been hiring. That's the point where I became a bitter pilot.
I'm not trying to tell you to give up, as things over there seem to change on a daily basis, but I wouldn't withold myself from any other opportunities that may pop up for you.
I'm sure I'll forgive them someday and try again. By that time I'm sure I'll have enough of the right time. But with my luck, they'll probably tell me that I have too much time.
Good luck!
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My brother, he's a pilot there. I also personally know another five pilots there who turned down the upgrade because of this. I'm sure the pass rate is up now, but these guys are senior enough and still choose to bypass. They all agreed on the percentage of failures and tell me that there's alot of FOs who turned down the upgrade too. There's also three captains who I know who told me that there were some problems with the training dept as far as upgrades.
Since I don't work there, I have to take their word on what goes on there. But as you and I know, line pilots aren't the most accurate source of information, so maybe it is bs.
Since I don't work there, I have to take their word on what goes on there. But as you and I know, line pilots aren't the most accurate source of information, so maybe it is bs.
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Opportunity Passed
You want to get hired by Jet Blue, get hired by USAir, get some Airbus time, then jump ship. That's what a lot of others have done.
Hiring military? I haven't gotten a call. Early on that may have been the case, now I think it's just very high time dudes from other airlines. One got hired and now he's getting all his buddies in.
"That train pulled out of the station long ago."
You want to get hired by Jet Blue, get hired by USAir, get some Airbus time, then jump ship. That's what a lot of others have done.
Hiring military? I haven't gotten a call. Early on that may have been the case, now I think it's just very high time dudes from other airlines. One got hired and now he's getting all his buddies in.
"That train pulled out of the station long ago."
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ACWild,
In one upgrade class several months ago, an unusual number of candidates failed. There was kind of a panic reaction among FO's for a little while since the upgrade seemed impossibly difficult, but that was more perception than reality. The company instructors determined that a few FO's weren't ready to be captains after only 8 months and were kept back for 12 more months. That's all.
It had nothing to do with their backgrounds, since they were from all different backgrounds. So the speculation that JB has stopped hiring regional pilots because of upgrade problems is completely false. There have been fewer regional pilots hired lately because there are a lot of furloughed pilots from major airlines out there who have a lot of experience. It has more to do with the available pilot pool than anything else. Regional pilots are still being hired, but they are the really high time pilots. I don't have exact figures.
CCDiscoB,
That was a particularly clueless (and tasteless) post. The US Airways pilots that JetBlue have been hiring have all been furloughed. They didn't "jump ship". Considering that more than 1000 pilots just at U are out of work, with likely more on the way, that should maybe clue you in that they aren't hiring at the moment.
Also, nobody at JetBlue is "getting his buddies in". The interview selection process is completely automated, and will accept no input on from employees on who gets called. If you get an interview, chances are good you'll be hired, regardless who is pulling for you. Please get your facts straight before you post.
In one upgrade class several months ago, an unusual number of candidates failed. There was kind of a panic reaction among FO's for a little while since the upgrade seemed impossibly difficult, but that was more perception than reality. The company instructors determined that a few FO's weren't ready to be captains after only 8 months and were kept back for 12 more months. That's all.
It had nothing to do with their backgrounds, since they were from all different backgrounds. So the speculation that JB has stopped hiring regional pilots because of upgrade problems is completely false. There have been fewer regional pilots hired lately because there are a lot of furloughed pilots from major airlines out there who have a lot of experience. It has more to do with the available pilot pool than anything else. Regional pilots are still being hired, but they are the really high time pilots. I don't have exact figures.
CCDiscoB,
That was a particularly clueless (and tasteless) post. The US Airways pilots that JetBlue have been hiring have all been furloughed. They didn't "jump ship". Considering that more than 1000 pilots just at U are out of work, with likely more on the way, that should maybe clue you in that they aren't hiring at the moment.
Also, nobody at JetBlue is "getting his buddies in". The interview selection process is completely automated, and will accept no input on from employees on who gets called. If you get an interview, chances are good you'll be hired, regardless who is pulling for you. Please get your facts straight before you post.
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Jeff G,
I stand corrected, thanks.
JetBlue used to hire a broad mixture of pilots, basically saying that they are looking for a type of personality. Now it seems like they are only hiring guys who have flown the biggest equipment. That's where I got my speculation from and I know it's weak.
As far as who's getting called for interviews, you're the first person to tell me that any regional pilots are getting called. That's great news.
From what I've heard about the past few months hiring, it sounded a ratio of 60 percent civ (furloughed USAir and others with some pretty large jet exp.) and 40 percent mil. Do you know what the background of the current new hires are? Thanks again.
I stand corrected, thanks.
JetBlue used to hire a broad mixture of pilots, basically saying that they are looking for a type of personality. Now it seems like they are only hiring guys who have flown the biggest equipment. That's where I got my speculation from and I know it's weak.
As far as who's getting called for interviews, you're the first person to tell me that any regional pilots are getting called. That's great news.
From what I've heard about the past few months hiring, it sounded a ratio of 60 percent civ (furloughed USAir and others with some pretty large jet exp.) and 40 percent mil. Do you know what the background of the current new hires are? Thanks again.
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CCDiscoB,
I agree with Jeff G...I sense bitterness about the hiring but remember, if you ran the company and had an opportunity to be selective about the qualifications that are on the street, who would you look at first...please don't take that offensively, it happened to me back in '97. Yet, I still believe the numbers are only to get you to the door...as stated earlier "The job is yours to lose". It is, without a doubt, a GREAT COMPANY. I believe this sites intent is to support and help those trying to establish a career in aviation and that's my intent. Now, as for my background (which may help understand who is getting calls): Retired Coast Guard (23 years, LCDR), 8074hrs total time, 3926 PIC. Two years with US Airways flying the 737-300/400 (help us out an fill in your background, maybe we can give you an idea of what will help). I believe one of the reasons military fighter guys are getting called is because they have the PIC time and jet time, period. That makes sense, or does it? It's just a timing issue for many because several of us were put on the street from Sept 11th, not much anyone can do about that. I interviewed June 26th and got the call 5 days later that I was going into Phase II, doesn't mean I'm hired yet. If you've been keeping up with the company you will see that they plan on taking on 11 planes this year and 12-14 each year until 2005, approximately 14 pilots per plane. Here's my 2 cents worth of advice, "don't give up". But let me give you one more thing that will creep up and bite you in the butt, and the company will pick up on it:
A = 1
T = 20
T = 20
I = 9
T = 20
U = 21
D = 4
E = 5
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ATTITUDE = 100.
And yes, there were a good portion of militery there on the 26th. The next interview is 16 July and from what they indicated , no interviews in August. Good luck to all.
I agree with Jeff G...I sense bitterness about the hiring but remember, if you ran the company and had an opportunity to be selective about the qualifications that are on the street, who would you look at first...please don't take that offensively, it happened to me back in '97. Yet, I still believe the numbers are only to get you to the door...as stated earlier "The job is yours to lose". It is, without a doubt, a GREAT COMPANY. I believe this sites intent is to support and help those trying to establish a career in aviation and that's my intent. Now, as for my background (which may help understand who is getting calls): Retired Coast Guard (23 years, LCDR), 8074hrs total time, 3926 PIC. Two years with US Airways flying the 737-300/400 (help us out an fill in your background, maybe we can give you an idea of what will help). I believe one of the reasons military fighter guys are getting called is because they have the PIC time and jet time, period. That makes sense, or does it? It's just a timing issue for many because several of us were put on the street from Sept 11th, not much anyone can do about that. I interviewed June 26th and got the call 5 days later that I was going into Phase II, doesn't mean I'm hired yet. If you've been keeping up with the company you will see that they plan on taking on 11 planes this year and 12-14 each year until 2005, approximately 14 pilots per plane. Here's my 2 cents worth of advice, "don't give up". But let me give you one more thing that will creep up and bite you in the butt, and the company will pick up on it:
A = 1
T = 20
T = 20
I = 9
T = 20
U = 21
D = 4
E = 5
---------
ATTITUDE = 100.
And yes, there were a good portion of militery there on the 26th. The next interview is 16 July and from what they indicated , no interviews in August. Good luck to all.
I'm in my 15th year at USAir and I'm at the JFK Ramada right now waiting to interview tomorrow morning. If I get the chance, I'm jumping ship. With the new 275 minimum fleet size in this TA and the no furlough clause out the window, I'm right on the bubble. My qualifications include 3 years of captain time at USAir on the Airbus and 737. With the new stagnation, I might not check out for another 10 years. I sent my app. in on June 3 and they emailed me on July 2. I was very shocked to say the least in that I really didn't expect a reply for a long time with as many people as there are on the street. I've been calling all my connections for goage and I think I have some good stories to relate. I'm looking forward to 8am tomorrow!
Good Luck Buddy--
If you get it you can feed the family until you retire.
That is more than a lot of Pilots can say!!!!!!!!
Also, how in the hell can anyone compete with your resume.75% of my FO's got the job here through a new hire program from UND. Some thought they were hot $hit until 9-11. This is just how it goes in the Airlines----Lobster tonight, Taco Bell tomorrow night
If you get it you can feed the family until you retire.
That is more than a lot of Pilots can say!!!!!!!!
Also, how in the hell can anyone compete with your resume.75% of my FO's got the job here through a new hire program from UND. Some thought they were hot $hit until 9-11. This is just how it goes in the Airlines----Lobster tonight, Taco Bell tomorrow night
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The last couple of posts just proved my point.
Of course I know USAir has guys on furloughed. I was exaggerating, slightly. If a furloughed guy can get a job, I think that’s awesome. I hope they all get hired.
As far as getting my facts straight, I do, on how senior guys are at USAir before when they are furloughed. I find it hard to believe a Captain with the company 15 years is being furloughed.
I'm not bitter about the hiring process. If fact, I feel like we are all in this together and I am happy to hear when guys get interviews. I'm just one of the thousands that think being based out of JFK would be too perfect.
Fly Safe
Of course I know USAir has guys on furloughed. I was exaggerating, slightly. If a furloughed guy can get a job, I think that’s awesome. I hope they all get hired.
As far as getting my facts straight, I do, on how senior guys are at USAir before when they are furloughed. I find it hard to believe a Captain with the company 15 years is being furloughed.
I'm not bitter about the hiring process. If fact, I feel like we are all in this together and I am happy to hear when guys get interviews. I'm just one of the thousands that think being based out of JFK would be too perfect.
Fly Safe
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I can give you the general profiles of the guys I've been flying with. The last guy had been a check airman on the A-320 for Ryan. I flew with an F-15 guy with 15 years of service that then went to EJI on the G-V before coming to us, a guy from a corporate job for 16 yrs, the last two or three on the Airbus. Also a Trans-Meridian guy with 1500 hrs PIC on the A-320, as well as skads of 727 time. With a pool of people like this, would you hire a guy like what was hired 1 1/2 years ago? Me either.
The guys I am flying with are great guys. They not only have great quals, but are great guys to go flying with for four days as well. IMHO, the interview process really does achieve what they hoped for, class act folks coming down the pipeline.
As far as upgrade ACwild, what does a guy that has by-passed the opportunity know about the process? We have to have 200 Captains by now, and there is no way they have busted 80 guys. I can honestly tell you that I don't ever once remember holding hands and singing Kumbyya(sp) with my instructor when I went to upgrade. With that said, it was by no means anything beyond your grasp if you have an ATP. As you might gather fom my profile, I've gone to a couple of schools the last few years. I can honestly tell you I learned more about flying in the times I went to school for jetBlue than I have since I started flight instructing. They are real concerned that the people they send to the line as Captains are up for the task, as they should be, but they give you every tool you need to be successful. My future, as well as profit sharing, depend on it. Listen to them and you won't have a problem. I believe I know who your brother is. He was in the initial calss behind me, and in upgrade with me, if it's who I am thinking. He's a good dude.
As far as everybody else, you can't do it if you don't try. Let them tell you no. Throw your dice on the table and see how they fall. I wish you all the best of luck!
JayDub
The guys I am flying with are great guys. They not only have great quals, but are great guys to go flying with for four days as well. IMHO, the interview process really does achieve what they hoped for, class act folks coming down the pipeline.
As far as upgrade ACwild, what does a guy that has by-passed the opportunity know about the process? We have to have 200 Captains by now, and there is no way they have busted 80 guys. I can honestly tell you that I don't ever once remember holding hands and singing Kumbyya(sp) with my instructor when I went to upgrade. With that said, it was by no means anything beyond your grasp if you have an ATP. As you might gather fom my profile, I've gone to a couple of schools the last few years. I can honestly tell you I learned more about flying in the times I went to school for jetBlue than I have since I started flight instructing. They are real concerned that the people they send to the line as Captains are up for the task, as they should be, but they give you every tool you need to be successful. My future, as well as profit sharing, depend on it. Listen to them and you won't have a problem. I believe I know who your brother is. He was in the initial calss behind me, and in upgrade with me, if it's who I am thinking. He's a good dude.
As far as everybody else, you can't do it if you don't try. Let them tell you no. Throw your dice on the table and see how they fall. I wish you all the best of luck!
JayDub
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Kjet,
I'm sure it is possible for a bad attitude to slip through the process undetected. However, in the end it will take care of itself.
I'll second JayDub's post. The upgrade is tough but attainable. Heck, if I can do it anyone can.
BTW, I saw the resumes of those that started class earlier this month. All were highly qualified. From what I remember (and these are estimates) approx. 10 from US Airways, 8 from military, 3 from other "large" jet airlines, 2 from corporate, and 1 from regionals. Again, these are not exact numbers but should be very close. I believe all of the US new hires are furoughees.
CCDiscoB,
I understand your frustration. All I can suggest is to be patient and not to let the frustration turn into a bad attitude. If your experience is competitive, I'm sure you will eventually get your chance.
I'm sure it is possible for a bad attitude to slip through the process undetected. However, in the end it will take care of itself.
I'll second JayDub's post. The upgrade is tough but attainable. Heck, if I can do it anyone can.
BTW, I saw the resumes of those that started class earlier this month. All were highly qualified. From what I remember (and these are estimates) approx. 10 from US Airways, 8 from military, 3 from other "large" jet airlines, 2 from corporate, and 1 from regionals. Again, these are not exact numbers but should be very close. I believe all of the US new hires are furoughees.
CCDiscoB,
I understand your frustration. All I can suggest is to be patient and not to let the frustration turn into a bad attitude. If your experience is competitive, I'm sure you will eventually get your chance.
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