Jetblue Competitive Times

[CCDiscoB]

JayDub, I find it interesting that some of the new hires at JetBlue include a G-V and 16 year corporate pilot. Here I am thinking either of those jobs a would be good enough to make a career out of.

 

[JayDub]

CCDiscoB,

The straight corp. guy didn't exactly leave on his own, if you know what I mean. He thought he had a lifetime job too, until new mgmt. came in. As far as EJI is concerned, upgrade is advertised as two years but is more like five in actuality. jetBlue's upgrade is advertised as two years, but is running close to one year, for now.

"Hiring military? I have gotten a call." When was your interview? Hope it went well.

Take care.



JayDub

 

[CCDiscoB]

Oops - typo - "I haven't gotten a call."

 

[Kjet]

I'm in my 15th year at USAir and I'm at the JFK Ramada right now waiting to interview tomorrow morning.

If you get a chance could you tell us all about it. ie How many were there, experience level, questions asked etc. Thanks

 

[Caddaddy]

I'll share some of my interview experience, however, first I'd to share a PM I got from PROPJOK concerning my last post, it seems that he believes I'm somehow unethical for searching for a new airline before I've been dumped by the current one. I feel everyone has to do what's right for themselves and their families, without scabbing that is. If I do get hired, I could save someone from getting fuloughed. uthor Message
propjok
Junior Member



Registered: May 2002
Posts: 4
jet blue
i hope you can sleep at night knowing that in the process of helping yourself out you just shafted 1000+ wholy owned ( i ment boned ) pilots. dont be looking for an express jumpseat any time soon buddy. have a nice life

one pissed of piedmont pilot


Do I deserve this and what's everyone's thoughts on this?

 

[Caddaddy]

I think there was 8 of us for the 8am shift. I think they were bringing a new group every hour but I'm not sure how many hours they were going to be there. The usual, walk in and hand over the package and logbooks. They had pilots in uniform going over the logbooks with finetooth combs. Then go to the safe room where Al Spain and Lanny McAndrews were fielding questions. Everyone was very nice. Then they came and got us. They now do a tag team with a Captain and a HR person at the same time asking questions back and forth. No warm ups, they just dive right in. The only ones I didn't remember from any gouges is "What are you most proud of?" and "How do you incorporate your job and family and how do you reconnect with them when you get home from a long trip?" I believe my group was half military and half USAir, 2 furloughed and 2 of us currently flying. After the tag team questions, I had the debriefer ask some softball questions and then I went back to the saferoom for some cookies and listened to some more questions and answers. A very different kind of interview from the ones I went through back in the '80s. Just need to study the gouges and have some stories ready. Sometimes 2 for the same question. Who knows.

 

[CCDiscoB]

No you did not deserve that. That was harsher than some of the things I write on this board.

He must think that you have to go to the "end of the line" when applying for a new job.

Hey Propjok (name says it all) think of it this way, once you've reached a certain level you can "change tables" all you want. Until you reach that level, you can only sit back and watch.

 

[Caddaddy]

THANK-YOU VERY MUCH

 

[Iceman]

Well, well , well...someone hit a "nerve" with PROPJOK. Do you remember who started this string of messages, indicating why he got so far and then didn't make it. I think it's pretty obvious...you may have let your attitude get the best of you. The company may have told you one thing to save you the embarassment of the other. I'm sure they picked up on it.
Your comment about the jumpseat with the Express folks works both ways. Now may not be a good time to ask for help from Caddaddy or anyone one else that gets on. Remember this, "Do I have a chance to get called in for an interview or am I just dreaming". We...better...stick...that...in...the... DREAM'N...category...for...now.
Perhaps Caddaddy will forget about this if you ever need a "jumpseat" ride with Jetblue.

Caddaddy,
No you didn't deserve it. I was in my 20th year in the CG when I was looking for my job. One would think I would have have stayed for 30. Only the "individual" knows what's right for "The Family" and the future, and in many instances it's best to get off the carpet...before someone pulls it out from under you.
P.S. I interviewed 26 June and 2 of my references got called today. So far so good

 

[Caddaddy]

Thank-you Iceman, I thought that one of the reasons this website was established was to form a community to exchange information and possibly help and encourage our fellow aviators. I don't hold a grudge and I would encourage PROPJOK to write a reply and possibly explain himself to the members of this forum. Great news for you on the references being called. You'll probably be in class in Oct., that's a nice time of year to be in MIAMI at the airbus academy. Good luck!

 

[propjok]

first of all that pm had nothing to do with him applying at jet blue and it had everything to do with the treatment of the piedmont and allegheny pilots by the u mainline pilots. if you dont worjk here then its not your problem but since everybody likes to stick their 2 cents in fine. i personally dont think that it is right for a mainline group to bargain with jobs that are not theirs. u mainline pilots are barganing with pied and alg, jobs they have said to mgt. that any small jet will have 50 % of the seats filled by a mainline pilot. now if that sj goes to pdt. then for evry sj we get we lose one dash and so we lose 5 pilots. these are not their jobs. in esence what is happening is that mainline pilots are saying that one group is better the the other. mainline pilots get furloughed so they come up with the idea that the wholly owned pilots are not as good as they are so they can get furloughed and mainline pilots will take my job. unions were created so that everybody would be equal but what is happening right now is the total oposite.

 

[Iceman]

You don't honestly believe that pilots have a say-so in this do you? I was a mainline pilot, and can't remember one time when, Rakesh, The Wolfman, Siegal or the Union called my house and asked for my opinion on any topic.
Your a worker bee, a soldier ant, a Pawn. And a Pawn defined in the dictionary is, "one that can be used to further the purposes of another". Your issue is with Management and the Union. Do you really think any of us wanted to go and fly an RJ to begin with? If we wanted to fly regional, we would have applied for it in the first place or stayed where we were. I just talked to a friend of mine (Capt) who has worked for the company for several years and now has to take a significant pay cut (over $50K) because of what's going on. Perhaps you would like his opinion on the subject, especially after he has invested 20 years of his life to get where he was. It happens to be the same road that you are pursuing. Sure, you're saying he should be thankful he has a job. But that's not the point...ask him if they came to him for permission to cut his pay by $50K+ a year.
I can understand how you feel, but management and the union hold all the cards...not the pilots.

 

[propjok]

ice man

at least your friend gets a paycut , i stand to lose my job all together. i understand that we are pawns when you talk about manegement but when it comes to the union i hope not if its true i will be looking for a new career. you mainline guys are all the same evrything has to revolve around you your friend will take a paycut of 50000, thats what i make in 1 yr as a dash 8 capt. what gives mainline pilots at us air the right to say are jobs are not as important as theirs, look at any other major and tell me if their pilots are trying to do the same thing u pilots are. not one major pilot group who has pilots on furlough has even remotely tried to do what bebee is trying. i should have known from your other posts that you were ex-mainline. and now that a bunch of usair guys work at jetblue it will only be a matter of time unitl you guys bring that airline down. good luck

 

[md80furlough]

I have a question. I interviewed w/JB in 2000, was hired for a Jan. 01 class, turned it down. As you can see by my nickname that didn't work out so well. Anyway, does anyone in the know think that they would talk to me again? I have about 6000 hours, 5000 turbine, 1400 jet pic.

Just curious. I really wanted to work there when I was hired, I just took a shot at a major. Right now I'm a CitationJet captain. Thankful to be working, but...

 

[PSL]

No you don't deserve to be verbally assaulted.

As for the wholly owned (pilots) carriers of USAirways... it sickens me to see what has happened to you. I was one of you ... I worked for Pennsylvania flying the DHC-8 and was (forced by USAIR) merged with Suburban to create the present day AGC ... one of the three wholly owned carriers ( AGC, PDT, PSA).

I saw the writing on the wall and left in 1994 to go fly the MD-11 for WOA. I was not alone ... a boatload of us left between 1994 and 1995 because we saw that SWA was looking at the East Coast. Does that make me a bad guy ? It better not ...

Do I blame the line pilot at USAirways for the deal that their MEC is force the wholly owned carriers to accepts ?

NO !

I think the PDT pilot is POfd because they are being sold out by ALPA and the USAirways MEC with this blatantly offensive Jets for Jobs Program. It's extortion ... plain and simple.

It he wants to take his anger out with the JS, let him take aim at MESA, CCAir, now Midway, TransStates and all the other contract carriers ... Better yet ... that's a stupid idea ... they serves no purpose other than to enrage the pilot group.

Where the (explitive) was the USAirways MEC when we (PEN)were trying to secure flow-'up' agreements with mainline only to be stalled and told we could interview just like everyone else ...

Nice ... that's the way to treat your feeder carrier pilots.

But ... back to the subject.

You should not be blamed in any way for trying to secure employment with a 'long term' player. The analysts don't give USAirways much of a chance even with the government money and concessionary agreements... I hope they are wrong ... I have many friends who are 15+ yr USAirways pilots sitting in the right seat and the 1000+ walking the streets are without hope.

I hope JetBlue gives you chance. You shouldn't be in the right seat for more than a year or so and most of the analysts give them a good shot of making it ...

One thing is for sure ....

It will not be boring around the industry for the next 5 years.

SWA and Jet Blue might but heads ... but it won't be until JB gets some critical mass.

Best of luck ...

 

[Caddaddy]

Very insightful posts, I think it was said best in a movie once," It's nothing personal, just business." People just need to stop taking this business so personal and stop and realize that a majority of us are just pawns and along for the ride. What we do short of not bending the airplane really has nothing to do with whether your company makes it or not. It's the management! Nobody said this business was fair, I grew up the son of a Pan Am pilot so I knew what I was getting into when I got this gig . When I stop and think of all the routes being flown by the express carriers that I flew once in the BAC-111 or the DC-9, I'm just disappointed, I don't start getting upset at a group of pilots that are flying my old route. Could the J4J be just compensation for this? Who knows.