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JetBlue's Growing Old Fast
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By Ted Reed
TheStreet.com Staff Reporter
1/6/2006 7:04 AM EST
Click here for more stories by Ted Reed


For a young, enthusiastic, fast-growing leader of the low-cost carriers that now dominate the airline industry, almost nothing could be worse than maturity.
Yet JetBlue Airways (JBLU:Nasdaq - news - research - Cramer's Take), which began flying in February 2000, is growing old before our eyes.
The carrier's stock is trading about 5% below its 2005 close, thanks largely to start-of-the-year downgrades by analysts at Merrill Lynch and Raymond James. Both said the stock price has gotten ahead of where it should be.
A key reason, said Merrill Lynch, which has a banking relationship with JetBlue, is that "the company may be experiencing growing pains (that include) rising costs related to the maturation of the company."
The problems with maturation in the airline industry are multiple. The cost of labor goes up as workers become more senior. Route expansion often progresses from the most desirable routes to less desirable ones, and maintenance costs can increase precipitously as aircraft require their first heavy maintenance checks after operating for several years.
Vivian Lee, an aviation analyst for Alliance Capital, which doesn't hold JetBlue stock, says that all new airlines start out with a "maintenance vacation" from the hefty checks that can cost a few million dollars per aircraft. A vacation's impact can be prolonged by rapid growth, because high maintenance costs would initially affect a relatively small percentage of an evolving airline's fleet. But eventually, all vacations must come to an end. JetBlue is burdened with all the phenomena of aging at the same time as fuel costs have risen and competition has stiffened. In the third quarter, as operating expenses rose 46.1% from the same quarter a year earlier, operating income declined to $13.8 million, down 38.4%. Net income of $2.7 million came about largely from a tax-accounting benefit of $6.4 million, a result of reduced tax expectations since the company no longer believes it will make a profit this year.

"I would argue that JetBlue actually lost money in the third quarter," said Lee. CEO David Neeleman called the quarter difficult, as a result of high fuel costs, bad weather and tough competition. The airline said it would report a loss for the fourth quarter and the year.
Rising maintenance costs are likely to increase the burden on the company, which operates a fleet of 85 Airbus A320 jets. Heavy maintenance requirements begin after several years of operation, with the exact interlude determined by the usage of the airplane.
In fact, in the third quarter JetBlue's maintenance costs rose to $19.8 million, up 72% from the same period a year earlier. That followed a full-year 2004 increase of 94% to $44.9 million. The airline took delivery of 10 jets in 2000, 11 in 2001, and 16 for each of the past four years. In 2005, it also received its first seven Embraer 190s, a second aircraft type that it plans to deploy in markets too small for A320 service.
JetBlue has warned repeatedly that aircraft maintenance outlays will rise. "Our maintenance costs will increase significantly, both on an absolute basis and as a percentage of our operating expenses, as our fleet ages and (our) warranties expire," the company said in its 2004 annual report. But investors may not have been listening. JetBlue should have been a Wall Street darling for many years after it went public, says analyst Lee. Instead, she said, "it is looking more like a legacy carrier and less like Southwest Airlines far faster than most would have imagined at its IPO only three and a half years ago."

This was just a click and paste special.... :beer:
 
I never could understand why pilots seem to take such glee in pointing out when things aren't going well for others. I think that "its all about me" attitude permeates the aviation buisness.
 
banger said:
I never could understand why pilots seem to take such glee in pointing out when things aren't going well for others. I think that "its all about me" attitude permeates the aviation buisness.

Agree! Now make it a double vodka easy on the blue aid.;)
 
What is that Ted Reed, author a pilot?
click and paste...thats all it was.
 
banger said:
I never could understand why pilots seem to take such glee in pointing out when things aren't going well for others. I think that "its all about me" attitude permeates the aviation buisness.

Because, believe it or not, the success of one's airline company is directly related to the demise of another's. It's not the same as watching one trip and throw groceries everywhere. It's more of a feeling that the more stable companies will be around longer than the less stable.
Will you greet all the Virgin U.S. pilots with open arms and tell them "I wish you success at our expense" or will you walk past, roll your eyes and hope that their low cost airline goes out of business sooner than later?

It's not show love, it's show business.
 
miles otoole said:
Because, believe it or not, the success of one's airline company is directly related to the demise of another's. It's not the same as watching one trip and throw groceries everywhere. It's more of a feeling that the more stable companies will be around longer than the less stable.
Will you greet all the Virgin U.S. pilots with open arms and tell them "I wish you success at our expense" or will you walk past, roll your eyes and hope that their low cost airline goes out of business sooner than later?

It's not show love, it's show business.

Agree at the company level. But why at the pilot or "workerbee" level? Getting angry at the pilots is like the chess pieces getting angry at each other when they lose.
 
Who is angry? Bored maybe, angry nah
 
Let's see...

We just built a brand new training center and are paying for a brand new terminal at JFK. We also just built a new hangar at JFK and just introduced a brand new airplane.

Yes, the bottom line isn't that awsome right now, but I'm sick of the entire stock market "business" of thinking so short term. Day trader mentality is ruining long term investment.

It looks like B6 mgmnt is looking long term, otherwise we would just be renting hangars, training centers, terminals, etc....
 
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I also remember a while back what the "naysayers" said-- this airline wouldn't last five years. Well, here we are, almost at year 6 and we're still around. Song was going to put us away too... Well, we're still here, and where is Song? Our stock price is down due to another split fellas... My portfolio of jetBlue stock in the past three months is up 33%... The future looks bright for us as bleak as many peolple would like us to think...
 
The analysts are just offering an opinion on where you should be placing your money. Not on the mgt and future of JB. All they are saying is that their are better places you could be putting your money instead of JB.

If anyone of you needed me or them to tell you to stay out of airline stocks, then you are too far gone. As far as JB goes, I don't think it was in Neelman's 5 year plan to lose money last year but take that with a grain of salt because I don't think the mgt of UAL, ATA, Independence, USAir, DAL and NWA had bankruptcy in their plans either.

If JB were to lose money again this year then I would be concerned but that's still quite a ways off.
 
“I think JetBlue is one of those stocks that could double in the next couple of years

Putnam Investors’ fund co-manager Rich Cervone joins our team this year.His tip for 2006? JetBlue (JBLU, $14.74), the fast-growing, low-cost airline. “Revenues have been growing by 25 percent to 35 percent a year, (but) this stock has been killed,” he says. Soaring oil prices nearly wiped out last year’s profits. But Cervone believes in 2006 either oil prices will fall, or the airlines will finally be able to raise fares. “I think JetBlue is one of those stocks that could double in the next couple of years,” he says. [continue]

http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=120654
 
lets not remember that SWA wanted to get started with 4 airplanes but could only start with 3 due to lack of money

using this logic, JBLU is on the road to great success
 
TheStreet.com - Interesting B6 Read

JetBlue's Growing Old Fast?



By Ted Reed
TheStreet.com Staff Reporter
1/6/2006 7:04 AM EST
Click here for more stories by Ted Reed



For a young, enthusiastic, fast-growing leader of the low-cost carriers that now dominate the airline industry, almost nothing could be worse than maturity.

Yet JetBlue Airways (JBLU:Nasdaq - commentary - research - Cramer's Take), which began flying in February 2000, is growing old before our eyes.

A key reason, said Merrill Lynch, which has a banking relationship with JetBlue, is that "the company may be experiencing growing pains (that include) rising costs related to the maturation of the company."

The problems with maturation in the airline industry are multiple. The cost of labor goes up as workers become more senior. Route expansion often progresses from the most desirable routes to less desirable ones, and maintenance costs can increase precipitously as aircraft require their first heavy maintenance checks after operating for several years.

Vivian Lee, an aviation analyst for Alliance Capital, which doesn't hold JetBlue stock, says that all new airlines start out with a "maintenance vacation" from the hefty checks that can cost a few million dollars per aircraft. A vacation's impact can be prolonged by rapid growth, because high maintenance costs would initially affect a relatively small percentage of an evolving airline's fleet. But eventually, all vacations must come to an end.

JetBlue is burdened with all the phenomena of aging at the same time as fuel costs have risen and competition has stiffened. In the third quarter, as operating expenses rose 46.1% from the same quarter a year earlier, operating income declined to $13.8 million, down 38.4%. Net income of $2.7 million came about largely from a tax-accounting benefit of $6.4 million, a result of reduced tax expectations since the company no longer believes it will make a profit this year.

"I would argue that JetBlue actually lost money in the third quarter," said Lee. CEO David Neeleman called the quarter difficult, as a result of high fuel costs, bad weather and tough competition. The airline said it would report a loss for the fourth quarter and the year.

Rising maintenance costs are likely to increase the burden on the company, which operates a fleet of 85 Airbus A320 jets. Heavy maintenance requirements begin after several years of operation, with the exact interlude determined by the usage of the airplane.

In fact, in the third quarter JetBlue's maintenance costs rose to $19.8 million, up 72% from the same period a year earlier. That followed a full-year 2004 increase of 94% to $44.9 million. The airline took delivery of 10 jets in 2000, 11 in 2001, and 16 for each of the past four years. In 2005, it also received its first seven Embraer 190s, a second aircraft type that it plans to deploy in markets too small for A320 service.

JetBlue has warned repeatedly that aircraft maintenance outlays will rise. "Our maintenance costs will increase significantly, both on an absolute basis and as a percentage of our operating expenses, as our fleet ages and (our) warranties expire," the company said in its 2004 annual report. But investors may not have been listening.

JetBlue should have been a Wall Street darling for many years after it went public, says analyst Lee. Instead, she said, "it is looking more like a legacy carrier and less like Southwest Airlines far faster than most would have imagined at its IPO only three and a half years ago."
 
satpak77 said:
lets not remember that SWA wanted to get started with 4 airplanes but could only start with 3 due to lack of money

using this logic, JBLU is on the road to great success

With Indy gone, after years of analysts saying some big major would be gone, I think we're all doing pretty well considering (I hope that all the good Indy folks get hired elsewhere). JB isn't going away and neither is just about anyone else. Mergers will likely be the soup du jour, and even then, after senority issues are resolved , hopefully most folks will still have their jobs and benefits. That's the ultimate yardstick. Let's not hang on every prognostication out there.

Fuel aside, every aspect of B6's operation has been forecasted by it's management. JB's financial and market position isn't a surprise.
 
I hear you have to sign a five year contract to work there. What's up with that? :smash:
 
Wow. Incredibly bad news this is.

I only thank His Noodly Appendage that we aren't yet required to pay for the jets.

Or gas....

Or even pay the pilots, even...:rolleyes:
 
satpak77 said:
lets not remember that SWA wanted to get started with 4 airplanes but could only start with 3 due to lack of money

using this logic, JBLU is on the road to great success



One thing is for sure.... JB is no SWA. Not even in the same league.

Not even sure you can compare SWA at five years old to JB at five years old. When is JB going to give away Bombay Sapphire? (it's blue, get it.... ;) )

This is not to say that JB won't be successful, but it is not the comsummate, total airline that is SWA.



Top Ten Reasons JB is no SWA.

10. Aircraft cleaning. Man it sucks. Who likes it? It is part of the job and if you don't like it...don't apply.

9. Five year agreement. Amendable at anytime by management. Mushy foundation...not clear where one stands.

8. Flight/Duty Time Slippery Slope. Where we going with this? (it might be OK but are we sure?)

7. Blue Uniforms (shirt). Doesn't look bad....ties are cool.

6. Anti-union. Is there a desirable career carrier that doesn't have pilot representation? Nuff Said.

5. Kew Gardens Sucks! I'll take MDY, DAL and even BWI anyday!

4. SWA was making consistant profits at 5 years old. JB ain't.

3. Did I mention the EMB rates? We know :rolleyes: ... they will be adjusted soon. Management just needed low rates for financing.... See # 6.

2. Is is cult or culture?

and the #1 reason JB is no SWA......

1. There isn't a $7,000 dollar (B737) interview fee!! :beer:




I am prediciting personal attacks....
(can you identify the pro JB lines?)
No, I haven't applied. Don't have a ATP. Don't wanna fly airlines. Haven't made it to phase one or phase two. Phaser on stun. Huh?
 
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1. There isn't a $7,000 dollar (B737) application fee!!

Its free to apply at Jet Blue and at Southwest. There is no application fee.
 
SWA/FO said:
Its free to apply at Jet Blue and at Southwest. There is no application fee.

Don't be obtuse. We all know what he means by "$7000 application fee". Perhaps he should have called it the $7000 Pre-Pay-For-Training (pre-pft) Fee.
 
Don't be obtuse. We all know what he means by "$7000 application fee". Perhaps he should have called it the $7000 Pre-Pay-For-Training (pre-pft) Fee

Then maybe he should have typed Pay-for-Training!!!!!
Oh, I think its more like 8500 now. The extra 1500 pays for the beer. :pimp:
It Sux...
 
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It's not PFT, it's just aviation's $8000 lottery ticket.
 
SWA/FO said:
What is that Ted Reed, author a pilot?
click and paste...thats all it was.

I think maybe it was the "two beers toasting" that gave the impression that you enjoyed posting an article that slights JB. Or maybe the fact that you posted it in the first place. Oh yea, it was just a "click and paste" and you were bored.

Don't you have any hobbies?

C yaaa

:puke:
 
USNFDX,

You following me all over this board. You want me to chime into a few Fed Ex threads? You miss me? :bomb:

jetblue320,

I'm sorry you feel that way. I found the article interesting, so I pasted it. Jet Blue was(is) the darling of the media world and this article stood out from the rest of the articles out there.
:beer:
 

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