JetBlue article from thestreet.com

[32LT10]

Speaking of inane.

Tell you what, the next time I hear one of those 500 hour wonders over at UAL say something stupid on the radio, I'll be sure to point it out.

500 hour wonder? Seeing as how the last newhire was in 2000 and the recalls are in the 1999 range there is no one on the property with 500 hours.

Now tell me? How many hours did your poster girl from Flight Safety have when she cam to Blue?

Also, you seem to like the UA folks. How is Ms. Olympian doing these days? Heard she was a high ranking flight operations person. Of course did she tell everyone that she asked to return to UAL in Sept? Wanted her old seniority back. The MEC had a good laugh over that I was told.

 

[IB6 UB9]

furloughed because of B6 most likely

More likely because people like you are picking up overtime.

 

[DIAMONDDD]

furloughed because of B6 most likely

So if they are, in fact, furloughed because of B6, does that mean they still are inexperienced?

And IB6 UB9, don't be silly. What an absurd statement you made (furloughed because they are picking up overtime). You should be ashamed of yourself with your lack of understanding on this issue. They were most certainly NOT furloughed because senior people are picking up overtime. They were furloughed because (obviously) of JetBlue.
The lack of recalls is because the senior guys are picking up overtime. Get it straight!

 

[Dizel8]

furloughed because of B6 most likely

If 1200 pilots have caused the furlough of 5000+ legacy pilots, then there must have been something seriously wrong with the efficiency at those carriers. If that is the case,no wonder they went Ch.11.

Mismanagenment, 9/11, sars, high fuel prices etc. couldn't have anything to do with it, now could it?

 

[IB6 UB9]

So if they are, in fact, furloughed because of B6, does that mean they still are inexperienced?

And IB6 UB9, don't be silly. What an absurd statement you made (furloughed because they are picking up overtime). You should be ashamed of yourself with your lack of understanding on this issue. They were most certainly NOT furloughed because senior people are picking up overtime. They were furloughed because (obviously) of JetBlue.
The lack of recalls is because the senior guys are picking up overtime. Get it straight!

Sorry, silly me.

 

[JB Bus Drvr]

Also, you seem to like the UA folks. How is Ms. Olympian doing these days? Heard she was a high ranking flight operations person. Of course did she tell everyone that she asked to return to UAL in Sept? Wanted her old seniority back. The MEC had a good laugh over that I was told.

You know, we do like the UA folks, along with the folks from DL, US, NW, CAL, TWA, and the other Legacy carriers who went through great pains to destroy the careers of these superior individuals for the sake of a buck. When was the last time you stood up at your union meeting and say that you're going to sacrifice a piece of your pay to keep these people on property. Maybe you got yours and the he11 with everyone else.

 

[32LT10]

You know, we do like the UA folks, along with the folks from DL, US, NW, CAL, TWA, and the other Legacy carriers who went through great pains to destroy the careers of these superior individuals for the sake of a buck. When was the last time you stood up at your union meeting and say that you're going to sacrifice a piece of your pay to keep these people on property. Maybe you got yours and the he11 with everyone else.

Ms Olympian had the seniority for a 767 Capt now. She was greedy and thought she could run the flank at the non-union JBLU. Guess she miss judged the process and wanted to come back to ALPA. The answer she got was no.

Are you guys letting her ride her sled?

As far as your easy solution to the problem. I fly the same days/hours that I flew pre 9/11 to pretty much the same destinations. I am not here for the hours. I am here to fly, enjoy the layovers and take whatever check comes in the mail. Of course I should probably sign up to participate in a flight day over 8 hours testing so I can fly LGB turns and screw the industry. That would be a true, "i got mine" mentality.

 

[SWA/FO]

take whatever check comes in the mail.

Dude, you don't have direct deposit?

 

[JB Bus Drvr]

Who cares about her. I don't. What I do care about is how easy it is to say XYZ or ABC LCC airline is bringing down the industry, yet if you've got the senority to do what you did pre 9/11, one has to ask, what have you done to protect the jobs of the folks junior to you. Have you gone on strike to protest, get active in your union to protest, or just hide behind a screen name slinging arrows at those (airlines like B6) are trying to make a difference.

 

[32LT10]

Have you gone on strike to protest, get active in your union to protest, or just hide behind a screen name slinging arrows at those (airlines like B6) are trying to make a difference.

Strike? Have you? Active in my union? Yes I am. How about you? Active in the JBLU union? oh that's right you do what Needle says.

Making a difference? You believe your own BS do you? That is the same lame stuff that those poor guys at flyi were given. You guys are lining up to be the next flyi. The kind of differences you are making are detrimental to the entire industry. The 8+hour testing and other facets of the JBLU operation are contrary to the interest of the entire pilot population.

Give it a two more years and the tomb stone of airline failures will most likely include JBLU.

 

[GuppyPuppy]

500 hour wonder? Seeing as how the last newhire was in 2000 and the recalls are in the 1999 range there is no one on the property with 500 hours.

OK, Dingus.

He's talking about the 500 hour wonders who were hired back in the late '80's to mid '90's. You know who he's talking about. The ones who will NEVER upgrade to captain because they are lousy airline pilots.

Dude, get a clue.

GP

 

[IB6 UB9]

Give it a two more years and the tomb stone of airline failures will most likely include JBLU.

I can tell you wish for that to happen. Just think, if it does then I will be laid off from two airlines, this one and the one you are working for. Now go and pick up some overtime while waving at the 2172.

 

[32LT10]

I can tell you wish for that to happen. Just think, if it does then I will be laid off from two airlines, this one and the one you are working for. Now go and pick up some overtime while waving at the 2172.

If you are on the list then you should be getting a recall in the near future. If you read my previous post you will also note that I fly the same if not less. PBS has helped reduce the time I have to work. With 450 set to return I bet there will be many that don't come back. You will have a choice and that is better than others. If you like your odds at blue then stay. Just don't be blinded by the promises. If you are furloughed from UA then you remember all the talk about C2K and the inability for the company to pay the rates they agreed to. Many buried their heads and said it was all a bluff. You see what happened.

How many other carriers are still paying COBRA for their furloughed pilots? How many give priority JS's to the furloughed pilots? Furlough sucks. Been there done that myself. It was the economic times that put me there. Not my fellow pilots. But whatever lets you sleep at night.

 

[IB6 UB9]

It was the economic times that put me there. Not my fellow pilots. But whatever lets you sleep at night.

Funny you say that. Are you not spending most of your time on this thread bashing some of your fellow pilots? I guess its ok as long as your job remains intact and untouched. Definitely the fault of "your fellow pilots", especially the ones that came to work here. But whatever lets you sleep at night.

 

[Dizel8]

It was the economic times that put me there. Not my fellow pilots.

Sorry, the BS flag just went to high.

 

[JB Bus Drvr]

Alright, time to feel sorry for ol'32 before he has a stroke. He's got it and we don't. Shame he won't work for the junior guys out on furlough instead of trying to bash us here. But maybe in his eyes, well we're not in his league. May he rest in peace.

 

[32LT10]

Funny you say that. Are you not spending most of your time on this thread bashing some of your fellow pilots? I guess its ok as long as your job remains intact and untouched. Definitely the fault of "your fellow pilots", especially the ones that came to work here. But whatever lets you sleep at night.

Here is your chance to put your money where your mouth is. I think that you should help all the out of work airline pilots in the country. Starting now get all the JBLU pilots together and only fly 50 hours a month. This will increase the demand for pilots at JBLU. The job creation alone will help pull guys from the streets. It will cost you a bit, but we know that you have not "gotten yours" so you will not mind the pay cut while you play mutual aid to all the unemployed pilots in the country.

Let me know how it works for you. You seem to think it is very easy, so why not show us you mean business? Perhaps you can do some of that innovative stuff you brag about.

 

[32LT10]

Sorry, the BS flag just went to high.

Richard Ferris and the Blue Skies contract is what caused my time on the furlough list.

Blue Skies contract- Now that is ironic almost 20 years later.

 

[Nado]

32LT10,
How about JetBlue have a special job fair for out of work ALPA pilots at FlyI. That way they can get more ex-APLA members on property. Or maybe they should just 'salute them' the way ALPA national did.

Oh wait, they did that already.

 

[IB6 UB9]

Here is your chance to put your money where your mouth is. I think that you should help all the out of work airline pilots in the country. Starting now get all the JBLU pilots together and only fly 50 hours a month. This will increase the demand for pilots at JBLU. The job creation alone will help pull guys from the streets. It will cost you a bit, but we know that you have not "gotten yours" so you will not mind the pay cut while you play mutual aid to all the unemployed pilots in the country.

Let me know how it works for you. You seem to think it is very easy, so why not show us you mean business? Perhaps you can do some of that innovative stuff you brag about.

Any more suggestions, we are hiring up to 600 this year, lots of furloughed folks. Also lots of folks that are still employed at a legacy. Now why would that be? BTW, maybe you should start taking an aspirin a day...

 

[32LT10]

Any more suggestions, we are hiring up to 600 this year, lots of furloughed folks. Also lots of folks that are still employed at a legacy. Now why would that be? BTW, maybe you should start taking an aspirin a day...

Why not fly 50 hours and hire 1200? Again do it and let us know how it works.

 

[canyonblue]

Why not fly 50 hours and hire 1200? Again do it and let us know how it works.

It's been done in the past, look around for the results.

 

[JB Bus Drvr]

Here is your chance to put your money where your mouth is. I think that you should help all the out of work airline pilots in the country. Starting now get all the JBLU pilots together and only fly 50 hours a month. This will increase the demand for pilots at JBLU. The job creation alone will help pull guys from the streets. It will cost you a bit, but we know that you have not "gotten yours" so you will not mind the pay cut while you play mutual aid to all the unemployed pilots in the country.

Let me know how it works for you. You seem to think it is very easy, so why not show us you mean business? Perhaps you can do some of that innovative stuff you brag about.

Why? Our company has a business plan and knows our manpower needs for a sustained growth. Unlike your employer and union who has let your junior pilots down.

Now again, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?

Oh yeah, thats right. You fly the same sched. that you did before 9/11. How about giving up some of that time to let the recalls come back faster. Oh yeah, you still got yours.

 

[32LT10]

Why? Our company has a business plan and knows our manpower needs for a sustained growth. Unlike your employer and union who has let your junior pilots down.

Now again, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?

Oh yeah, thats right. You fly the same sched. that you did before 9/11. How about giving up some of that time to let the recalls come back faster. Oh yeah, you still got yours.

A business plan and manpower strategy? Well park 100 airplanes in one month like we did after 9/11 and tell me what your strategy would be to keep the entire population employed.

We are recalling 300+ this year plus the 150 we recalled last year. That is not bad considering the amount of flying we are down versus pre 9/11 levels. Now I know you have been given the golden key to the secret of aviation over the a blue. But there were several people that talked the same talk you are now that were at company called Peoples Express, Western Pacific and various other dead airlines.

I tell you what just for you I will pick up a trip this month just to Pi$$ you off. Don't normally fly more than 78 hours but I will splurge.

You start flying 50 and I will too.

 

[Capn Mike]

Why do I hear JetBlue pilots having frivolous conversations on guard so much? I hasn't been as bad in the last 6 mos or so; for a while it seemed like they treated it like a company freq. Just wondering.

They must have been former Air Force pilots.

 

[Capn Mike]

Give it a two more years and the tomb stone of airline failures will most likely include JBLU.

Comments like this have been said for the last 6 years. Guess in two years, you can roll your statement over to another two years.

You do seem to be very bitter. I hope you are taking aspirin regularly.

 

[JB Bus Drvr]

32, Chill out dude. You'll have a stroke before you retire at age 65. You do what you want to do and I do what I want to do. Fact is that my mgmt. all have a very vested interest in our success. So far they've done pretty good. And while you may bring back 300 this year, we're hiring 600. I could go on and on about us against you but it stops now.

Have fun haunting the Forum. I'm done with you.

 

[SWA/FO]

You gotta be lean and mean in this industry.

 

[Capt. X]

Lets face it, SWA and JB are the Legacy's now. Everyone else is swimming with their head barely above the water. It really doesn't matter. I could care less who's better than the other. Lets get Bush to give us back our Airlines by stopping cabotage and releasing the emergency oil reserves to help the airlines of this country.