JetBlue anti-union rhetoric

[ballsdeep123]

I find it interesting that alpa filed with the NMB before the southwest/airtran sinlge list comes out. Tha would be a good indicator of there ability with mergers.

 

[PCL_128]

If we go to arbitration, there won't be a single list awarded until almost a year from now. I'm sure the JetBlue pilots have no desire to wait a year to get their own representation just to see how a list gets resolved at AirTran/Southwest.

 

[B6Busdriver]

I never doubted that you do, B6. My statements were not meant as a personal attack or an accusation.

It's obvious that you're very passionate about this election and I'm sure you have very good reasons why. I'm not at all ant-union, I'm just very skeptical of ALPA because of what I've seen in the past.

Fair enough my friend. I heard some very eloquent words once, the only thing worse than having ALPA as your union is not having ALPA as your union. Not a glowing endorsement by any measure but an in-house was tried once before. Looking at what happened at Air Tran is a good indicator of the probable success of an in house. Unfortunately our management is much more like Air Tran than WN. No offense to my Air Tran brothers. To each is own and it is doubtful any votes are gained on this message board.

 

[B727FA]

our planes only have 99 seats instead of 100.... and remember why that is?... that's right, you had your maintenance works literally take a seat out of the plane just to sidestep the pilot's contract and force them to fly these planes for peanuts! [/COLOR]

FYI, and for the FA's CBA, too. And, on SEVERAL of the a/c, they didn't even take the physical seat OFF THE A/C! They simply removed the seatbelt and DEFERRED the seat!

 

[BeachBummer]

Congratulations ALPA drive organizers. Your JB management has now suspended our 5 amendments to our PEA contracts. These improvements were within weeks of being achieved and would have been additional items on the negotiating table for our first contract... Instead, ALPA filed at the worst possible time to the NMB.

This action has proved two things. One, that ALPA, before we are even members of the organization, has already screwed up for us. And two, that for those who think this JB management team will be amicable negotiators across the table from us, you're living in a dream world!!!

REAAAAAAAEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAALY!!

ah, man, you just waisted a whole chop stick full of orang chicken.
Please.... Please tell the rest of the world your just drunk or somthin?!?

The five documents.... wow, yea they didn't really know that all that stuff they shoveled at us was crap and we'd throw it back in a ball... no way man, the first version was intended to be pass with flying colors.

 

[BeachBummer]

OH Yea! the above should have SARCASM written all over it just in case someone missed it.

 

[Lake Alice]

I find it interesting that alpa filed with the NMB before the southwest/airtran sinlge list comes out. Tha would be a good indicator of there ability with mergers.

First, it's their, not there.
The ALPA filing was key to prevent further erosion of our Jetblue careers and to prevent a more difficult starting point when negotiations for a CBA begin. For example, the scope agreed to by the pro-management PVC members allowed Jetblue to purchase another airline and/or start an alter-ego airline, operate them separately while using our aircraft on our routes and ultimately discontinuing our employment. I would say furlough but as our PEA's do not contain furlough language our employment terms would not be renewed.
Do we expect Jetblue to do any of this, no, but if you put it into our PEA's the door is now open.

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

This is what ALPA got for Frontier Pilots recently:

According to the agreement worked out with their union leaders, the pilots agreed to accept delayed pay increases, reduced company contributions to their 401(k) plan, reduced vacation and sick days, and an extension of their collective bargaining agreement by two years.
In exchange, the pilots union would get "an equity stake in Frontier," Republic said in a filing Friday with the Securities and Exchange Commission. It did not say how large a stake.


Read more: Frontier Airlines agrees to give pilots an ownership stake | Kansas City Business Journal

LOL, wait a minute, ALPA is only a group of advisors. It was the local reps that sold them out, LOL... The JBLU PVC was within reach of our 5 documents being sent to pilots for a vote-- provisions that were going to improve our contracts and possibly the strongest M & A language out there. But no, ALPA steps in and blows it down the tubes. Good job guys! Oh yeah, in a letter to our pilots, our JAOC explains how we're on a "road to a new way of labor relationship"-- really? We go ALPA, we go down the old road guys, the proven disfunctional way of labor... Come on, stop blowing that smoke!!!

 

[pilot772]

This is what ALPA got for Frontier Pilots recently:

According to the agreement worked out with their union leaders, the pilots agreed to accept delayed pay increases, reduced company contributions to their 401(k) plan, reduced vacation and sick days, and an extension of their collective bargaining agreement by two years.
In exchange, the pilots union would get "an equity stake in Frontier," Republic said in a filing Friday with the Securities and Exchange Commission. It did not say how large a stake.


Read more: Frontier Airlines agrees to give pilots an ownership stake | Kansas City Business Journal

LOL, wait a minute, ALPA is only a group of advisors. It was the local reps that sold them out, LOL... The JBLU PVC was within reach of our 5 documents being sent to pilots for a vote-- provisions that were going to improve our contracts and possibly the strongest M & A language out there. But no, ALPA steps in and blows it down the tubes. Good job guys! Oh yeah, in a letter to our pilots, our JAOC explains how we're on a "road to a new way of labor relationship"-- really? We go ALPA, we go down the old road guys, the proven disfunctional way of labor... Come on, stop blowing that smoke!!!

You realize that Frontier Pilots are not represented by ALPA right?

 

[BeachBummer]

OMG! Dude you must put down the pipe or the bottle or whatever it is.

Frontier uses an in-house union... NOT ALPA.:smash:

This is what ALPA got for Frontier Pilots recently:

According to the agreement worked out with their union leaders, the pilots agreed to accept delayed pay increases, reduced company contributions to their 401(k) plan, reduced vacation and sick days, and an extension of their collective bargaining agreement by two years.
In exchange, the pilots union would get "an equity stake in Frontier," Republic said in a filing Friday with the Securities and Exchange Commission. It did not say how large a stake.


Read more: Frontier Airlines agrees to give pilots an ownership stake | Kansas City Business Journal

LOL, wait a minute, ALPA is only a group of advisors. It was the local reps that sold them out, LOL... The JBLU PVC was within reach of our 5 documents being sent to pilots for a vote-- provisions that were going to improve our contracts and possibly the strongest M & A language out there. But no, ALPA steps in and blows it down the tubes. Good job guys! Oh yeah, in a letter to our pilots, our JAOC explains how we're on a "road to a new way of labor relationship"-- really? We go ALPA, we go down the old road guys, the proven disfunctional way of labor... Come on, stop blowing that smoke!!!

 

[Fubijaakr]

This is what ALPA got for Frontier Pilots recently:!!!

Really? OMG. Never let facts get in the way of your prejudice, BB. As others have already pointed out:

F9 pilots are FAPA, not ALPA.

I used the blue font so I would register on your rods and cones, though probably not at all in your cortex.

 

[CaptainSpaz]

:laugh:

 

[J32driver]

The JBLU PVC was within reach of our 5 documents being sent to pilots for a vote-- provisions that were going to improve our contracts and possibly the strongest M & A language out there.

Wow. The STUPID is strong in this one!

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

This is what ALPA got for Frontier Pilots recently:

According to the agreement worked out with their union leaders, the pilots agreed to accept delayed pay increases, reduced company contributions to their 401(k) plan, reduced vacation and sick days, and an extension of their collective bargaining agreement by two years.
In exchange, the pilots union would get "an equity stake in Frontier," Republic said in a filing Friday with the Securities and Exchange Commission. It did not say how large a stake.


Read more: Frontier Airlines agrees to give pilots an ownership stake | Kansas City Business Journal

LOL, wait a minute, ALPA is only a group of advisors. It was the local reps that sold them out, LOL... The JBLU PVC was within reach of our 5 documents being sent to pilots for a vote-- provisions that were going to improve our contracts and possibly the strongest M & A language out there. But no, ALPA steps in and blows it down the tubes. Good job guys! Oh yeah, in a letter to our pilots, our JAOC explains how we're on a "road to a new way of labor relationship"-- really? We go ALPA, we go down the old road guys, the proven disfunctional way of labor... Come on, stop blowing that smoke!!!

Are you Dr Stupid? I ask because your post reeks of alot of wasted money on a Phd...

 

[Lake Alice]

This is what ALPA got for Frontier Pilots recently:

According to the agreement worked out with their union leaders, the pilots agreed to accept delayed pay increases, reduced company contributions to their 401(k) plan, reduced vacation and sick days, and an extension of their collective bargaining agreement by two years.
In exchange, the pilots union would get "an equity stake in Frontier," Republic said in a filing Friday with the Securities and Exchange Commission. It did not say how large a stake.


Read more: Frontier Airlines agrees to give pilots an ownership stake | Kansas City Business Journal

LOL, wait a minute, ALPA is only a group of advisors. It was the local reps that sold them out, LOL... The JBLU PVC was within reach of our 5 documents being sent to pilots for a vote-- provisions that were going to improve our contracts and possibly the strongest M & A language out there. But no, ALPA steps in and blows it down the tubes. Good job guys! Oh yeah, in a letter to our pilots, our JAOC explains how we're on a "road to a new way of labor relationship"-- really? We go ALPA, we go down the old road guys, the proven disfunctional way of labor... Come on, stop blowing that smoke!!!

You are quite possibly the dumbest person on this board.

 

[Fins Up]

The JBLU PVC was within reach of our 5 documents being sent to pilots for a vote-- provisions that were going to improve our contracts and possibly the strongest M & A language out there.

Pleeeeeeease tell me you don't really believe this. In my best Vizzini lisp - "Inconceivable!"

 

[Raoul Duke]

there is a reason a union shows up....and it's a direct result of how a company is managed.

or because a union is desperate for dues due to the loss of multiple employee groups

 

[B6Busdriver]

or because a union is desperate for dues due to the loss of multiple employee groups

Sorry skippy but we the pilots of JetBlue knocked on ALPA's door, not the other way around.

 

[Mercy98]

Perhaps everyone except the line pilots will be surprised at the turn-out for vote, and the number that vote-in a positive, new direction for themselves.

Better said....

Landslide.

 

[BeachBummer]

or because a union is desperate for dues due to the loss of multiple employee groups

Sorry Rauol... B6 is right. ALPA didn't come to us. We went to ALPA.
If the support for this wasn't there ALPA would have dropped us like a cheap date on the corner.

 

[kommutrdog]

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[kommutrdog]

Sorry skippy but we the pilots of JetBlue knocked on ALPA's door, not the other way around.

Speak for yourself. I didn't knock on anyone's door. You did and you're going to forcibly confiscate 2% of my salary against my will.

ALPA is a closed shop, and yes I will f*cking resent it. You got hired at JB knowing it was a non-union carrier. Barger and Co have done more for my career, checkbook and quality of life than any of those ALPA "leaders" every have.

ALPA is a visionless salary-confiscation entity that's fighting yesterday's battles with old technology. ALPA is like the Polish cavalry charging into the teeth of the blitzkrieg.

Case in point: Why aren't pension funds their own legal entities which are effectively "fire-walled" away from the company when it goes BK?

Oops....looks like ALPA ain't that bright, and gosh darn it, your pension fund got voided again in BK court. LOL. Stooges. Go ahead, hitch your wagon to those visionless loosers in Herndon.

 

[Fins Up]

Barger and Co have done more for my career, checkbook and quality of life than any of those ALPA "leaders" every have.

You mean like:
1. Taking away stock-options new pilots used to get
2. Cutting CSPP discounts in half
3. Taking away "13:30s".
4. Raising the premium trigger from 70 to 78 hours
5. Promising us during the last union drive there was a "workaround" for benefits/retirement - which there isn't
6. Trying to tear down the pilots' ability to act collectively to enforce 3A. (I'm not involved in that, but it looks pretty black and white.)
7. Initially taking away the premium pay for sick time (Yes, they eventually gave it back.)

That's off the top of my head. Did you have a say in any of that? I didn't.

I have nothing against Dave. I think he has done a very good job turning us around after we got over-extended. He and the ELT had to make business decisions such as 1-7 above to do what they thought was best for the company. Now I have to do the same thing. I'm voting yes.

 

[Fubijaakr]

ALPA is a closed shop, and yes I will f*cking resent it. You got hired at JB knowing it was a non-union carrier.

Double fail, bubblehead. ALPA is an agency shop. You don't have to belong. You do have to pay the contract administration fee, which is less than the full dues.

But, hey...you can always quit and go play with your kind at VX or AGT.

Adios.

 

[PCL_128]

ALPA isn't even an agency shop if the local pilots don't negotiate agency shop provisions into their contract. FDX didn't have agency shop until the 2006 contract, for example. It's up to the JetBlue pilots to decide whether to do an agency shop (although it's certainly a good idea).

 

[B6Busdriver]

Speak for yourself. I didn't knock on anyone's door. You did and you're going to forcibly confiscate 2% of my salary against my will.

ALPA is a closed shop, and yes I will f*cking resent it. You got hired at JB knowing it was a non-union carrier. Barger and Co have done more for my career, checkbook and quality of life than any of those ALPA "leaders" every have.

ALPA is a visionless salary-confiscation entity that's fighting yesterday's battles with old technology. ALPA is like the Polish cavalry charging into the teeth of the blitzkrieg.

Case in point: Why aren't pension funds their own legal entities which are effectively "fire-walled" away from the company when it goes BK?

Oops....looks like ALPA ain't that bright, and gosh darn it, your pension fund got voided again in BK court. LOL. Stooges. Go ahead, hitch your wagon to those visionless loosers in Herndon.

Former Airways huh? Let go of the anger, I look forward to hearing your wants and needs for a cba in the very near future. Please participate in the surveys you will receive.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Speak for yourself. I didn't knock on anyone's door. You did and you're going to forcibly confiscate 2% of my salary against my will.

ALPA is a closed shop, and yes I will f*cking resent it. You got hired at JB knowing it was a non-union carrier. Barger and Co have done more for my career, checkbook and quality of life than any of those ALPA "leaders" every have.

ALPA is a visionless salary-confiscation entity that's fighting yesterday's battles with old technology. ALPA is like the Polish cavalry charging into the teeth of the blitzkrieg.

Case in point: Why aren't pension funds their own legal entities which are effectively "fire-walled" away from the company when it goes BK?

Oops....looks like ALPA ain't that bright, and gosh darn it, your pension fund got voided again in BK court. LOL. Stooges. Go ahead, hitch your wagon to those visionless loosers in Herndon.

So you are ok being 'hitched' with the visionless losers such as Dr, "move the premium trigger to 80" dumb, yoder, scott, israel and the other blindered 'pilot representatives? I am not.
You 'will f*cking resent it' all the way to a CBA...LOL, medical, legal and all the other benefits, decrying it every day, right? You juicers never cease to amaze me...
kommutr....hmm...so how does JB compare to it? Umm..better than Mesa, right?

 

[Dizel8]

"In contrast with its traditional role in armed conflicts of the past (even in the Polish-Bolshevik War), the cavalry was no longer seen as a unit capable of breaking through enemy lines. Instead, it was used as a mobile reserve of the Polish armies and was using mostly infantry tactics: the soldiers dismounted before the battle and fought as a standard (yet fast) infantry. Despite media reports of the time, particularly in respect of the Battle of Krojanty, no cavalry charges were made by the Polish Cavalry against German tanks."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charge_at_Krojanty

 

[Dizel8]

You did and you're going to forcibly confiscate 2% of my salary against my will

The company enablers on the PVC has cost you way more than that, it is time to stop the madness.

 

[kommutrdog]

Double fail, bubblehead. ALPA is an agency shop. You don't have to belong. You do have to pay the contract administration fee, which is less than the full dues.

But, hey...you can always quit and go play with your kind at VX or AGT.

Adios.

Perhaps you're just being a bit intellectually dishonest here.

If ALPA come on the property I will be FORCED to pay the dues, whether I want to or not.