JetBlue and the 2.21% pay raise rhetoric.

[BLUE BAYOU]

The company has not mentioned E90 rates recently, so why would you go there? E90 is 100+ seat airframe with similar capacity and gross weight to the short DC-9 and Boeing 717. It is a full on small mainline narrow-body jet and the pay is right in line, if not LOW compared to DL's DC-9 rates and Airtran-Hawiian's 717 rates.

E90 drivers are NOT overpaid, so stop giving any credibility to that narritive.

Period.

Unfortunately you cannot compare apples and oranges. BOTH the DC-9 and 717s carry well over 100 pax. You have to use the other carriers that fly the 190s and for now, you guys are overpaid*** but that is a good thing, right?

 

[n757st]

Unfortunately you cannot compare apples and oranges. BOTH the DC-9 and 717s carry well over 100 pax. You have to use the other carriers that fly the 190s and for now, you guys are overpaid*** but that is a good thing, right?

Compared to whome? In northern North American its us, Airways, Republic, and Air Canada flying the e190. Our pay scales are slightly lower then Air Canada, higher then Republic (a regional), and higher then Us Airways (have you seen the rest of their scales?!?!). So please explain by which metric you figure our 190 guys are overpaid?

 

[Lake Alice]

Unfortunately you cannot compare apples and oranges. BOTH the DC-9 and 717s carry well over 100 pax. You have to use the other carriers that fly the 190s and for now, you guys are overpaid*** but that is a good thing, right?
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Every other operator flying a 320 does so with more seats. We keep capacity at 150. Will this be your next argument for why our pay and benefits are lower than everyone else's or are you ready to get off your knees and stand up for the ENTIRE pilot group.

 

[Blue Dude]

Unfortunately you cannot compare apples and oranges. BOTH the DC-9 and 717s carry well over 100 pax.

This is exactly why pay comparisons are usually performed using MGTOW instead of seats. I suppose in your world a A318 with 32 first class seats going from JFK to London City ought to pay less than an RJ.

E-190's are mainline jets. And *we* set the rates at the RJ level. Putting them back to mainline pay *after every else copied our RJ rates* doesn't make it overpaid. Geez, man, whose side are you on?

 

[Lake Alice]

Blue bayou has publicly stated we did not need a raise and our benefits were ok with him. Meanwhile he uses mil medical and mil retirement.

You will not win an argument with him because it's not a level playing field. You and I NEED better medical and retirement. He does not.

 

[BeachBummer]

Unfortunately you cannot compare apples and oranges. BOTH the DC-9 and 717s carry well over 100 pax. You have to use the other carriers that fly the 190s and for now, you guys are overpaid*** but that is a good thing, right?

Your ignorance never stops making me go... wow.

 

[shon7]

Naw... shon7 is just a troll of great magnitude. Been watching his trolling for years now.

wow. you must have quite an interesting life. Now go at the back and brew me come coffee.

 

[J32driver]

wow. you must have quite an interesting life. Now go at the back and brew me come coffee.

Was that even English? :laugh:

 

[GuppyPuppy]

Unfortunately you cannot compare apples and oranges. BOTH the DC-9 and 717s carry well over 100 pax. You have to use the other carriers that fly the 190s and for now, you guys are overpaid*** but that is a good thing, right?

If we ever get a union and decide to go on strike I wonder who'd be first to cross the picket line....you or your brother.

GP

 

[Smarta$$]

Unfortunately you cannot compare apples and oranges. BOTH the DC-9 and 717s carry well over 100 pax. You have to use the other carriers that fly the 190s and for now, you guys are overpaid*** but that is a good thing, right?

Dumbest JetBlue post of 2012.

Congratulations.

 

[unwashed]

using weight metric is probably more applicable today as the number of seats used to apply to the maximum number of seat an airframe is certified to. Most company's don't one class the airframe (econ) like the 747D's in Japan had 600 plus seats. My previous company got us to sign off on deal that gave us a seat range on the jets but not the turboprops. Next thing you know the Q400 with 76 seats is showing up, but alas the over 70 seat scale is for jets not props. My two cents, back to the regular programing.

 

[shon7]

all these comparisons are futile. Pay is based on market power and nothing else. Rationalize it all you want on weight, number of seats, number of engines, number of toilets or whatever else you fancy.

 

[unwashed]

are basing that on experience? or just stating what you are feeling, because the market can and will change from the time you start negotiations until you sign and then change yet again. You have to base it on a comparable that way when you meet with the mediator (and you will) you can bring up why you are comparing them to yourselves. Pulling a rabbit out of the hat is not going to advance you very far.

 

[B6Busdriver]

Unfortunately you cannot compare apples and oranges. BOTH the DC-9 and 717s carry well over 100 pax. You have to use the other carriers that fly the 190s and for now, you guys are overpaid*** but that is a good thing, right?

This coming from the same clown that donates money to the Delta Pilots Association. He thought it was genius to donate money to another group of pilots wanting a different UNION while denying his fellow pilots representation. If I was an AME I would deny your medical for lack of sound judgement.

 

[shon7]

You have to base it on a comparable that way when you meet with the mediator (and you will) you can bring up why you are comparing them to yourselves. Pulling a rabbit out of the hat is not going to advance you very far.

Think logically for a bit and get away from your entitlement mentality. You are not entitled to anything and will only get what is afforded to you by market forces. Harp all you want about comparables.