JetBlue and fuel stops

[Lampshade]

Flight# City Pair Diverted(ing) to​

351 JFK-BUR LAS
93 JFK-OAK LAS (SLC last night)
205 JFK-LGB LAS
169 JFK-OAK LAS (DEN last night)
355 JFK-BUR LAS (PHX last night, DTW on the 13th)
489 JFK-LGB LAS (LAS last night, OKC on the 14th)
306 IAD-LGB LAS
359 JFK-BUR LAS
95 JFK-OAK LAS (LAS last night, DEN on the 14th)
181 JFK-SAN PHX
221 JFK-LGB PHX (LAS last night)
219 JFK-LGB PHX (LAS last night)
481 BOS-LGB SLC (DEN last night)
475 BOS-OAK SLC (DEN last night, DEN on the 14th)
101 JFK-OAK SLC (DEN last night)
209 JFK-LGB SLC (PHX yesterday)
471 BOS-SJC SLC (DEN yesterday, DEN on the 14th)
215 JFK-LGB SLC (PHX yesterday)
357 JFK-BUR SLC (DEN yesterday)
91 JFK-OAK SLC (PHX yesterday, DEN on the 14th)
173 JFK-SJC SLC (DEN yesterday)
107 JFK-OAK SLC (LAS yesterday, DEN on the 14th)
477 BOS-OAK SLC (OKC yesterday, DEN on the 14th)
185 JFK-SAN SLC (PHX yesterday)
171 JFK-SMF SLC (SLC on the 14th)
217 JFK-LGB DEN (LAS yesterday)
321 IAD-OAK DEN
89 JFK-ONT DEN (LAS yesterday)
483 JFK-LAS DEN

Looks like they are getting killed by the winds. They need to get A319/737ng to do these routes non stop when the jet dips south.

 

[Uppercrust]

Flight# City Pair Diverted(ing) to​

351 JFK-BUR LAS
93 JFK-OAK LAS (SLC last night)
205 JFK-LGB LAS
169 JFK-OAK LAS (DEN last night)
355 JFK-BUR LAS (PHX last night, DTW on the 13th)
489 JFK-LGB LAS (LAS last night, OKC on the 14th)
306 IAD-LGB LAS
359 JFK-BUR LAS
95 JFK-OAK LAS (LAS last night, DEN on the 14th)
181 JFK-SAN PHX
221 JFK-LGB PHX (LAS last night)
219 JFK-LGB PHX (LAS last night)
481 BOS-LGB SLC (DEN last night)
475 BOS-OAK SLC (DEN last night, DEN on the 14th)
101 JFK-OAK SLC (DEN last night)
209 JFK-LGB SLC (PHX yesterday)
471 BOS-SJC SLC (DEN yesterday, DEN on the 14th)
215 JFK-LGB SLC (PHX yesterday)
357 JFK-BUR SLC (DEN yesterday)
91 JFK-OAK SLC (PHX yesterday, DEN on the 14th)
173 JFK-SJC SLC (DEN yesterday)
107 JFK-OAK SLC (LAS yesterday, DEN on the 14th)
477 BOS-OAK SLC (OKC yesterday, DEN on the 14th)
185 JFK-SAN SLC (PHX yesterday)
171 JFK-SMF SLC (SLC on the 14th)
217 JFK-LGB DEN (LAS yesterday)
321 IAD-OAK DEN
89 JFK-ONT DEN (LAS yesterday)
483 JFK-LAS DEN

Looks like they are getting killed by the winds. They need to get A319/737ng to do these routes non stop when the jet dips south.

Alright, I'll take my FB hat off. There was a line of storms last night.

 

[Blue Dude]

Let's see, fly 100% of the time with a lot fewer seats (less revenue and higher cost) and add meaningless complexity to the airline, all so you can avoid the occasional tech stop (maybe 2% of the time). Yeah, we'll get right on that.

 

[Mamma]

Lampshade,
I take it you have WAY too much free time on your hands to type that all up.

 

[wndshr]

Flight# City Pair Diverted(ing) to​

351 JFK-BUR LAS
93 JFK-OAK LAS (SLC last night)
205 JFK-LGB LAS
169 JFK-OAK LAS (DEN last night)
355 JFK-BUR LAS (PHX last night, DTW on the 13th)
489 JFK-LGB LAS (LAS last night, OKC on the 14th)
306 IAD-LGB LAS
359 JFK-BUR LAS
95 JFK-OAK LAS (LAS last night, DEN on the 14th)
181 JFK-SAN PHX
221 JFK-LGB PHX (LAS last night)
219 JFK-LGB PHX (LAS last night)
481 BOS-LGB SLC (DEN last night)
475 BOS-OAK SLC (DEN last night, DEN on the 14th)
101 JFK-OAK SLC (DEN last night)
209 JFK-LGB SLC (PHX yesterday)
471 BOS-SJC SLC (DEN yesterday, DEN on the 14th)
215 JFK-LGB SLC (PHX yesterday)
357 JFK-BUR SLC (DEN yesterday)
91 JFK-OAK SLC (PHX yesterday, DEN on the 14th)
173 JFK-SJC SLC (DEN yesterday)
107 JFK-OAK SLC (LAS yesterday, DEN on the 14th)
477 BOS-OAK SLC (OKC yesterday, DEN on the 14th)
185 JFK-SAN SLC (PHX yesterday)
171 JFK-SMF SLC (SLC on the 14th)
217 JFK-LGB DEN (LAS yesterday)
321 IAD-OAK DEN
89 JFK-ONT DEN (LAS yesterday)
483 JFK-LAS DEN

Looks like they are getting killed by the winds. They need to get A319/737ng to do these routes non stop when the jet dips south.

PLEASE NO 737NG! 6 hours stuck in a tiny cockpit! I will do fuel stops all week long for the rest of my life to stay in the Airbus cockpit on LONG HAUL flights!

 

[General Lee]

Flight# City Pair Diverted(ing) to​

351 JFK-BUR LAS
93 JFK-OAK LAS (SLC last night)
205 JFK-LGB LAS
169 JFK-OAK LAS (DEN last night)
355 JFK-BUR LAS (PHX last night, DTW on the 13th)
489 JFK-LGB LAS (LAS last night, OKC on the 14th)
306 IAD-LGB LAS
359 JFK-BUR LAS
95 JFK-OAK LAS (LAS last night, DEN on the 14th)
181 JFK-SAN PHX
221 JFK-LGB PHX (LAS last night)
219 JFK-LGB PHX (LAS last night)
481 BOS-LGB SLC (DEN last night)
475 BOS-OAK SLC (DEN last night, DEN on the 14th)
101 JFK-OAK SLC (DEN last night)
209 JFK-LGB SLC (PHX yesterday)
471 BOS-SJC SLC (DEN yesterday, DEN on the 14th)
215 JFK-LGB SLC (PHX yesterday)
357 JFK-BUR SLC (DEN yesterday)
91 JFK-OAK SLC (PHX yesterday, DEN on the 14th)
173 JFK-SJC SLC (DEN yesterday)
107 JFK-OAK SLC (LAS yesterday, DEN on the 14th)
477 BOS-OAK SLC (OKC yesterday, DEN on the 14th)
185 JFK-SAN SLC (PHX yesterday)
171 JFK-SMF SLC (SLC on the 14th)
217 JFK-LGB DEN (LAS yesterday)
321 IAD-OAK DEN
89 JFK-ONT DEN (LAS yesterday)
483 JFK-LAS DEN

Looks like they are getting killed by the winds. They need to get A319/737ng to do these routes non stop when the jet dips south.

I can't wait until they all become transcon turns. That will be awesome.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

Ban him Ban him!!!!!!!!!!!

I can't wait until they all become transcon turns. That will be awesome.

Bye Bye--General Lee

He didn't learn his lesson

 

[Fox-Tree]

Let's see, fly 100% of the time with a lot fewer seats (less revenue and higher cost) and add meaningless complexity to the airline, all so you can avoid the occasional tech stop (maybe 2% of the time). Yeah, we'll get right on that.

A tech stop? Dude, I'm not faulting your logic on the 319 but let's call a spade a spade. A tech stop is a PLANNED stop at Bangor after starting on the west coast so you can make it to the med - or ANC so you can get the 180K lbs. of cargo from Taiwan to the lower 48.

It's not called a tech stop when your poodle jet is sucking hind t!t fighting the winter jet and can't make it to LA. A domestic fuel divert means it's just a bad plan or the wrong jet for the mission.

 

[zonker]

A domestic fuel divert means it's just a bad plan or the wrong jet for the mission.

There's really no end to the retarded things you'll read on this forum.

 

[CA1900]

Well, it is a French jet. Maybe it would make it nonstop if it weren't puffing on that cigarette the whole way?

 

[bluejuice787]

A tech stop? Dude, I'm not faulting your logic on the 319 but let's call a spade a spade. A tech stop is a PLANNED stop at Bangor after starting on the west coast so you can make it to the med - or ANC so you can get the 180K lbs. of cargo from Taiwan to the lower 48.

It's not called a tech stop when your poodle jet is sucking hind t!t fighting the winter jet and can't make it to LA. A domestic fuel divert means it's just a bad plan or the wrong jet for the mission.

I honestly have to say I agree with you on this one. I too wish that we would call it what it really is. On the other hand they really are very rare. The past few days were quite the exception with almost 200kt headwinds and weather on the west coast.

A previous post from a JB pilot indicated that we do these in his/her estimation less than 2% of the time. Actually the percentage is far less than that. Less than one half of one percent.

 

[Ralph Cramden]

You can easily turn the 320 into the 319. Just block 26 seats. From this flight list one can assume B6 would rather stop for gas than do the unthinkable and bump passen, oops, I almost said it, customers.

You can debate the right plane for the mission all you want, but in the words of Popeye "I yam whats I yam". Purely in the comfort department I prefer fifi, both up front and in the back, when traveling coast to coast.

 

[cobalt]

continental had a planned fuel stop houston to san fran. yesterday, it was a 737-300, stopped in el paso.

 

[Correcting]

I say good for JetBlue. Most of the other airlines would have bumped pax in a heartbeat. As a pax, I would gladly accept a 30 minute delay for fuel instead of a multiple hour delay for the next flight.

 

[jbucpt]

I can't wait until they all become transcon turns. That will be awesome.

Bye Bye--General Lee

be careful what you wish for general, the direction DALPA is leading you, you might be doing a transcon turn sitting next to me in a year or so.........

 

[oldxfr8dog]

I can't wait until they all become transcon turns. That will be awesome.

Bye Bye--General Lee

We are usually on opposite sides, my friend. But I couldn't agree with you more in this case.

 

[Sailpilot]

Well, it is a French jet. Maybe it would make it nonstop if it weren't puffing on that cigarette the whole way?

Now that was Fu(7ing funny!

Do we go to LA?, does this guy know where we are going and the rest of us don't?

 

[filejw]

Trans con turns? The rules may change but unless you can do it in less than 10 hrs( 9 if FAA wants to match the rest of the world) there is no chance.And it has nothing to do with what ALPA wants. More in making our rules like ICAO and or JAR.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Debating 1% or 2%. How often does this happen? 3 times a year? Then it is about 1%. But obviously not 1% of fleet flying, just on those specific flights. I think the other 99% may make up the difference.

 

[Blue Dude]

I actually don't know how often it happens. I used 2% as a WAG, knowing that it was probably high. (You seem to get in more trouble by underestimating problems than overestimating). All I know is that I've done my share of transcons, and I've never had a fuel stop. YMMV.