JetBlue and fuel stops

[elag777]

I'd rather be him than an angry BlueBird Bus Driver like you!
Face it little guy, you've got problems over there in BlueBird land.

Aren't you the little crustation from Gulfstream? uke:

 

[elag777]

Aren't you the little crustation from Gulfstream? uke:

I guess so...:laugh:

 

[32LT10]

No arguement from me, there!
But the intent isn't to make more productive pairings, with longer flight times, it's to enable better rest by being back in your domicile's time zone when the flight is over.

That is the biggest bunch of crap ever posted. Too long is too long and I don't care what time it is local. That is the problem with you JBLU guys. You think the world revolves around you. The lack of experience at long haul flying has you thinking that as long as you are sleeping in some dive of a crash pad for 8 hours in Kew that you are resting. If you are tired you sleep in what ever time zone you are in. Going 3 hours to the west coast is nothing. Get over yourselves and realize you are destroying the years of hard work that was put into getting the few limits we have today.

Now go miss a few more radio calls and try to find a place to land for gas. Wonder how much money you guys are blewing on the stops. I bet the pax really like the delays. A friend said the PS service from JFK to the west coast was going out with a ton of revenue standbys. The winds have been nice to UAL in the head to head with JBLU at JFK.

 

[Uppercrust]

That is the biggest bunch of crap ever posted. Too long is too long and I don't care what time it is local. That is the problem with you JBLU guys. You think the world revolves around you. The lack of experience at long haul flying has you thinking that as long as you are sleeping in some dive of a crash pad for 8 hours in Kew that you are resting. If you are tired you sleep in what ever time zone you are in. Going 3 hours to the west coast is nothing. Get over yourselves and realize you are destroying the years of hard work that was put into getting the few limits we have today.

Now go miss a few more radio calls and try to find a place to land for gas. Wonder how much money you guys are blewing on the stops. I bet the pax really like the delays. A friend said the PS service from JFK to the west coast was going out with a ton of revenue standbys. The winds have been nice to UAL in the head to head with JBLU at JFK.

Very well put.

 

[Floatplane]

Did someone forget their anti-bitter pills?

That is the biggest bunch of crap ever posted. Too long is too long and I don't care what time it is local. That is the problem with you JBLU guys. You think the world revolves around you. The lack of experience at long haul flying has you thinking that as long as you are sleeping in some dive of a crash pad for 8 hours in Kew that you are resting. If you are tired you sleep in what ever time zone you are in. Going 3 hours to the west coast is nothing. Get over yourselves and realize you are destroying the years of hard work that was put into getting the few limits we have today.

Now go miss a few more radio calls and try to find a place to land for gas. Wonder how much money you guys are blewing on the stops. I bet the pax really like the delays. A friend said the PS service from JFK to the west coast was going out with a ton of revenue standbys. The winds have been nice to UAL in the head to head with JBLU at JFK.

Wow! I not sure how you came to the conclusion that all "JBLU guys" think the world revolves around us, but you are sadly mistaken.

So here we go.

Most of the "JBLU guys" I have talked with would prefer not to do transcon turns. I am not too sure where you come up with the assertion that we have a lack of experience at what you call long haul flying. A good majority of our pilots are on furlough from Delta, United, U.S. Air, TWA/American, Continental, Tower Air, Polar Air, etc, etc, etc. So if we lack in experience I would like to know what your definition of experience is.

I have gone on record before stating that I think Transcon turns are a bad idea, not only from a safety standpoint, but from a physiological stand point as well. Furthermor, I think the current FAR's allow some crazy schedules that are currently legal to fly that should not be. The entire system needs a fresh look and some real data to back up any assertions that one might make in favor of any rule change. Be it from a formal study, ICAO standards or from any other perspective.

Next time before you go off on some dumb internet site making assertion that all "JBLU guys" think the world revolved around them, you might want to take a long hard look in the mirror. Mabe then you might be able to get over yourself.

Cheers!

 

[banger]

Yea man. You are a tool!

 

[oldxfr8dog]

ahh, skip it...

 

[JB Bus Drvr]

Guys, isn't it evident that both UC and 32 are idiots. Go to User CP, Misc., Ignore and they go away.

 

[jbvt]

I'd rather be him than an angry BlueBird Bus Driver like you!
Face it little guy, you've got problems over there in BlueBird land.

Coming from a guy whose daddy paid for him to fly at Gulf stream, go away little man and play with your toys daddy bought you.

 

[Boeingman]

Did someone mention destruction?

Get over yourselves and realize you are destroying the years of hard work that was put into getting the few limits we have today.

Just like the destruction of your retired brothers and sisters retirement plans precipitated by United Brain Surgeons like yourself?

What an ass.

 

[32LT10]

Just like the destruction of your retired brothers and sisters retirement plans precipitated by United Brain Surgeons like yourself?

What an ass.

Boeingman,

You want to debate retirement? Then go ahead and start the thread my friend. The retirees had fat b-funds and if they were smart (that is going out on a limb) they could see the writing on the wall. Those that said they did not were living in denial. So the company should fail because some guys are stupid?

Look at the contract. The poor SOB's in the LCC contract are paying for the A-plan that was taken away. Don't you think they should give those guys parity since the A-plan was terminated? Just like Whiteferg and the rest of those clowns you think the world owes you something. Take a note from the JBLU crowd and grow up.

Do you still have insurance in rettirment? Ask a US Air pilot and you will be surprised. I think we should take that away from you guys and give the LCC back their duty rigs.

Now let me grab my violin and play you a tune. The guys I know that have retired and are retiring are quite happy. Are you the guy with 3 ex wives, 6 kids by different mothers, tuition, therapy, alimony, palimony and of course paying your kids lawyers for the crap they have gotten into while you were away? Toss in a few bad investments in get rich quick shemes and poof you are screwed. So you want me to foot the bill for your bad choices. Nice one Charlie. Instead of grinding an axe you should have been raising a family.

If you need cash you should try and find a job at JBLU. I hear they like UAL castoffs. If you own a sled that would make it even better. Get yourself a job as an instructor and you perhaps financial planning expert.

PS I suppose you thought the ESOP stock was going to be worth something also,

 

[Frank Lorenzo]

So if we lack in experience I would like to know what your definition of experience is.

I agree that the JBLU pilots are experienced. Experienced AND proficient at picking up trash in the cabin.

We need to exploit this proficiency and efficiency. JBLU should immediately fire all of their flight attendants, and have the pilots sling drinks to the trailer park residents riding in back. Those planes have an autopilot. The pilots really aren't DOING anything at cruise. Might as well squeeze a little productivity out of some dead wood.

Maybe we could set up a shoe shine box in the galley too. The pilots could earn some great tip money.

 

[32LT10]

I am not too sure where you come up with the assertion that we have a lack of experience at what you call long haul flying.

I have seen many ads touting the route from FSI directly to JBLU. Are you saying these guys and gals are highly experienced?

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

I have seen many ads touting the route from FSI directly to JBLU. Are you saying these guys and gals are highly experienced?

How many pilots have gone from FSI DIRECTLY to JetBlue?

 

[elag777]

I have seen many ads touting the route from FSI directly to JBLU. Are you saying these guys and gals are highly experienced?

This statement brings the word "Plonker" to mind. I think you will find that FSI is attempting to correlate success stories to their training programs, in other words "you too some day can" blah blah blah
I think you will find it is the same add reprinted too, but if you think it works that way heck lays down the coin and give it a shot. BTW no accommodation included!

 

[3BCat]

You too can fly the worlds fastest jets. Glasses OK!

I have seen many ads touting the route from FSI directly to JBLU. Are you saying these guys and gals are highly experienced?

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[Boeingman]

You want to debate retirement? Then go ahead and start the thread my friend. The retirees had fat b-funds and if they were smart (that is going out on a limb) they could see the writing on the wall. Those that said they did not were living in denial. So the company should fail because some guys are stupid?

No, I was trying to point out your arrogance in casting stones (in any direction), while those of your ilk destroyed others earned benefits without a moments thought. Now on to the rest of your tirade. It is clear I touched a nerve here. Good!

Look at the contract. The poor SOB's in the LCC contract are paying for the A-plan that was taken away. Don't you think they should give those guys parity since the A-plan was terminated? Just like Whiteferg and the rest of those clowns you think the world owes you something. Take a note from the JBLU crowd and grow up.

I don’t think the world owes me anything. Besides, I am not a UAL Brain Surgeon so your entire point is moot. I do think that your fellow pilots did owe your retirees what they earned. Of course we are dealing with the me first mentality of those like yourself that don’t give a danm about their predecessors.

Do you still have insurance in retirement? Ask a US Air pilot and you will be surprised. I think we should take that away from you guys and give the LCC back their duty rigs.

I don’t rely on anything at all for my retirement from the airlines. But this is a common theme with you, take away from others to benefit the currently employed. You continue to sound just like a scab by the way.

Now let me grab my violin and play you a tune. The guys I know that have retired and are retiring are quite happy. Are you the guy with 3 ex wives, 6 kids by different mothers, tuition, therapy, alimony, palimony and of course paying your kids lawyers for the crap they have gotten into while you were away? Toss in a few bad investments in get rich quick schemes and poof you are screwed. So you want me to foot the bill for your bad choices. Nice one Charlie. Instead of grinding an axe you should have been raising a family.

You can put your violin away with me pal. I’ll bet my net worth is easily 30 times your annual salary. See sport, I saw the handwriting on the wall many moons ago. Mainly this industry is rife with opportunists like yourself. I started an outside business long ago that has made a dump truck full of money for myself. So your barbs are if anything but a joke. If you only knew.

My only axe to grind now is against those like yourself with arrogance and contempt for others. You sound like such an ass for knocking other pilots when your own United closet is rife with skeletons.

If you need cash you should try and find a job at JBLU. I hear they like UAL castoffs. If you own a sled that would make it even better. Get yourself a job as an instructor and you perhaps financial planning expert.

JBLU? Not in a million years. Sled you mean my own airplane? Well I do own an L39 and a piece of a Citation. Does that count?

PS I suppose you thought the ESOP stock was going to be worth something also

No, I always thought that was a smoke and mirror scheme. Just like United's new business plan. I guarantee you will be back in the courts in a short time. Perhaps them you may learn some humility? I doubt it though. Only the superbly ignorant would still be talking crap like you do about others after what your fellow pilots went through at United.

 

[Boeingman]

I have seen many ads touting the route from FSI directly to JBLU. Are you saying these guys and gals are highly experienced?

Are those FSI grads just as experienced as the pilots hired under the YONITED EEOC hiring program?

More stones.......

 

[32LT10]

So boeingman you are not a UAL pilot and therefore you did not lose a retirement. In fact you can not speak knowledgably on a subject that you garner all your information from the USA today. If you care to research and do some due diligence you might realize what a moron you are making of yourself. In regards to pensions, do you offer the same type of ire towards US AIR? Also, what is your feeling of defined pension plans in the us? IBM is stopping DB's and various others are doing the same. Your opinion is that a company of 70K employees should shut its doors to pay the retirement of a several hundred retired pilots? Now tell me again about selfishness. These pilots for the most part earned the highest wages in the history of the industry and various other perks.

As for you and your wealth. Congratulations. However, when assesing my worth please do not be so quick to crown yourself prince. As they say in the hood, "You don't know me". I will not go into details but I am happy with where I am financially.

Finally, your yonited comment is really nice. You compare the GOVERMENT MANDATED hiring of minorities at UAL due to the lack of hiring previously to the JBLU poster gal and guy that come straight from FSI. One did it under goverment order and the other did it via publicity stunt.

Again, if you want to start a topic on the retirement issue then please do it. There will be enough spirited debate to keep us all busy for awhile.

 

[Blue Dude]

JetBlue has not hired a single pilot direct from FSI. Not even the poster girl. I mean, as another poster stated, just look at the hiring minimums. I'm not sure where that rumor got started, and I'm unlikely to find out since certain posters on this thread are ignored.

 

[JumpJetter]

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Boy,these winds are kicking. JBLU Flight 359 hasn't made it non-stop JFK to BUR since the 14th!

21-Feb-2006 A320/Q Salt Lake City Int'l [KSLC] Bob Hope [KBUR] 22:10 PST 23:46 PST Scheduled

21-Feb-2006 A320/Q Denver Int'l [KDEN] Bob Hope [KBUR] 21:13 PST 23:18 PST 2:05

21-Feb-2006 A320/Q John F Kennedy Int'l [KJFK] Denver Int'l [KDEN] 16:03 PST 20:29 PST 4:26

20-Feb-2006 A320/Q Salt Lake City Int'l [KSLC] Bob Hope [KBUR] 22:28 PST 23:57 PST 1:29

20-Feb-2006 A320/W John F Kennedy Int'l [KJFK] Salt Lake City Int'l [KSLC] 18:27 PST 21:49 PST 3:22

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18-Feb-2006 A320/Q John F Kennedy Int'l [KJFK] Denver Int'l [KDEN] 16:28 PST 20:59 PST 4:31

17-Feb-2006 A320/Q Albuquerque Int'l Sunport [KABQ] Bob Hope [KBUR] 22:38 PST 00:34 PST (+1) 1:56

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[Boeingman]

So boeingman you are not a UAL pilot and therefore you did not lose a retirement. In fact you can not speak knowledgably on a subject that you garner all your information from the USA today.

You must subscribe to the theory of Rez that all of us out there are uneducated on current ALPA issues and travesties. Your right, I have no friends at United that didn’t discuss this in detail. None of my old guard bums flew for United either I guess. Nobody I went through UPT flies for United either. The United guy in the hanger next to mine hasn’t said a word to me. I have been unable to research any information anywhere on the entire subject and the possible effects cascading on my career and the potential damage to other ALPA members. Dang, I guess your right oh smart one, all the info I have is from the USA today (which by the way coincides at least basically from what they all told me).

If you care to research and do some due diligence you might realize what a moron you are making of yourself. In regards to pensions, do you offer the same type of ire towards US AIR? Also, what is your feeling of defined pension plans in the us? IBM is stopping DB's and various others are doing the same.

Moron? Coming from you? LMAO.....I’ll take that as a compliment thank you very much.
As far as your careful deflection, yes I do agree what you are saying about USAir and others. The difference is between them and you personally, is they are not coming on here slamming others while you carry out your vendetta against other pilots who are less fortunate than yourself.

Perhaps your are just to stupid to realize this simple fact. Given your recent history at United you sound like an arrogant pompous ass. Perhaps your next trip through bankruptcy may give you a wake up call? With you though, I doubt it. I get the impression you have always been an arrogant pompous ass.

Your opinion is that a company of 70K employees should shut its doors to pay the retirement of a several hundred retired pilots? Now tell me again about selfishness.

My opinion is you caved far to quickly and sold out those that paved a road for you to follow. If you want to talk about selfishness, you could of held management s feet to the fire much harder to protect those before you.

Obviously, in retrospect management sure found a way to pay for themselves didn’t they? No worries though, when you get older there is a fresh group of pilots coming on board with your scab like mentality, they will sell you out just as fast to save their own pathetic skins. After all, with ilk like yourself, they are learning from the best.

These pilots for the most part earned the highest wages in the history of the industry and various other perks.

So what? Or are you justifying and rationalizing again? Yes, it sure sounds like it. A little inner pangs of guilt showing through there? But thank you for making my point. These were the pilots that you should be thanking instead of porking for making this a career you wanted in the first place. Right Mr. Scab like?

As for you and your wealth. Congratulations. However, when assesing my worth please do not be so quick to crown yourself prince. As they say in the hood, "You don't know me".

Nor do you know me. Remember idiot, you were the one who made the insinuations first. I was none to happy to correct your fantasy.

I will not go into details but I am happy with where I am financially.

So is the guy in the employee lot living in a camper. Big deal.

Finally, your yonited comment is really nice. You compare the GOVERMENT MANDATED hiring of minorities at UAL due to the lack of hiring previously to the JBLU poster gal and guy that come straight from FSI. One did it under goverment order and the other did it via publicity stunt.

So? It did happen right? Is the end result still the same? Was that not either a defacto or intentional publicity stunt at UAL? It is also a well known fact that YONITED continued on this type of aggressive hiring track far in excess of what was mandated. Once again you have thrown stones when your own closet is overflowing at United. This is my one and only point to you yet you continue to spew written diarrhea to defend your defenseless points. It is about throwing stones when you of all people need to keep your mouth shut.

Again, if you want to start a topic on the retirement issue then please do it. There will be enough spirited debate to keep us all busy for awhile. "

My reply above says it all. You should not be casting stones from your 2006 United perspective upon anyone in this industry. You really cast a bad light on the thousands at United that realize what has happened to them and can respect another perspective.

 

[Mamma]

Boeingman,
You sure hit the nail on the head with 32LT10! He is an embarassment to his company and profession.

 

[32LT10]

The United guy in the hanger next to mine hasn’t said a word to me.

Nice one Chuckie. UAL guy in the HANGAR next to you eh? Wow retirement must be a biotch hangar and all. Tell me again how bad UAL retirement is you boob.

Do you even think before you post this crap? Hilarious stuff.

 

[Boeingman]

Nice one Chuckie. UAL guy in the HANGAR next to you eh? Wow retirement must be a biotch hangar and all. Tell me again how bad UAL retirement is you boob.

Do you even think before you post this crap? Hilarious stuff.

Hey idiot, has it ever occured to you that his money was made outside of anything to do with United?

32douche do ever even think before you post this crap? Hilarious stuff is right.

 

[J32driver]

Nice one Chuckie. UAL guy in the HANGAR next to you eh? Wow retirement must be a biotch hangar and all. Tell me again how bad UAL retirement is you boob.

Do you even think before you post this crap? Hilarious stuff.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is knows as the "Point of Resignation".

 

[32LT10]

Hey idiot, has it ever occured to you that his money was made outside of anything to do with United?

32douche do ever even think before you post this crap? Hilarious stuff is right.

Well just so we a clear jack. You said the retirees were being hurt and basically were now living under the freeway. This was your argument you started about how bad they had it. Yet they have prospered outside of UAL. So again, we should kill the entire company so this guy can double dip? Your double standard is showing. You might want to pull the skirt down sweatheart don't want the boys to think you are easy.

Perhaps UAL salary and time off allowed him to enjoy free time for ventures outside of flying. Perhaps this money he made away from UAL could also be because of the lifestyle he was able to attain from the work rules and contracts we have had over the years.

Don't go away mad bm. But please do go away and think about your double standards. Bet there are a few guys on here that hope to have hangars in retirement.

 

[J32driver]

Don't go away made bm. But please do go away .

Could you have possibly meant "mad"?????? Throwing stones sucks huh?

 

[Boeingman]

A Brain Surgeon with a reading comprehension problem.

Well just so we a clear jack. You said the retirees were being hurt and basically were now living under the freeway. This was your argument you started about how bad they had it. Yet they have prospered outside of UAL. So again, we should kill the entire company so this guy can double dip? Your double standard is showing. You might want to pull the skirt down sweatheart don't want the boys to think you are easy.

Perhaps UAL salary and time off allowed him to enjoy free time for ventures outside of flying. Perhaps this money he made away from UAL could also be because of the lifestyle he was able to attain from the work rules and contracts we have had over the years.

Don't go away made bm. But please do go away and think about your double standards. Bet there are a few guys on here that hope to have hangars in retirement.

Jack? Chuckie? Skirts? Freeways? Where do you come up with this stuff? Is this the type of material you think of while you are jerking yourself reading flightinfo?

You can rationalize all you want Mr. EEOC benefactor. The bottom line is maybe you are just plain stupid. You are obviously to dense to see the ony point that I am trying to make to you personally about throwing stones in glass houses. Go reread the posts, or better yet, have your Mom help you out with. I f i t w i l l h e l p y o u o u t I
w i l l t y p e s l o w e r f o r y o u.

Perhaps you're just an arrogant ass that has always acted like this? Yes, I do believe that fits you perfectly. When United reenters bankruptcy again in the next couple of years, I wonder what your excuses ill be then and how you will rationalize hosing others? Just like a typical scab.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Can't we get back to the original topic and bash jb some more? Check out the scandalous lettuce thread...