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No arguement from me, there!Blue Dude said:Betcha dollars to donuts that FLL-JFK-LGB is less fatiguing than JFK-LGB-JFK.
I agree with everything you said. I'm just concerned we would soon have T-Con or L-shape monstosities in ADDITION to the legal ones that we have now.Blue Dude said:I think I can get better rest three time zones away under these circumstances than going back to my home time zone after 11+ hrs of flying.
And make no mistake - it's all about productivity. There's no way to sell it to the pilot group any other way. That's all it's ever been about.
And I don't have a problem with that. There's nothing magical about 8 hrs of flying. In fact, I don't think there ought to be a hard limit on flight time alone. Total time off the gate isn't that big a factor in fatigue, in and of itself. I'm much more concerned with number of legs flown, total duty period, back side of the clock flying and "resting" during banker's hours. Or any combination of the above. Give me a "L-transcon" 2-day trip worth 18 hrs anyday over the "legal" monstrosities we come up with now. Transcon turns are no fix, unless you promise me good weather and tailwinds both direction.
JB Bus Drvr said:It's really funny how many folks jump on the get JB bandwagon. Generally, the people who comment in the absurd are either afraid of what we are doing or have no idea what they're talking about.
And GL, what happened to you. You used to make sense in articulate, reasonable posts. Whether I agreed or disagreed, you sounded like you put some intelligent thought into your writings. Now you've relegated yourself to the levels of UC, Siegel, and 32. WTF over.
Blue Dude said:I think I can get better rest three time zones away under these circumstances than going back to my home time zone after 11+ hrs of flying.
And make no mistake - it's all about productivity. There's no way to sell it to the pilot group any other way. That's all it's ever been about.
And I don't have a problem with that. There's nothing magical about 8 hrs of flying. In fact, I don't think there ought to be a hard limit on flight time alone. Total time off the gate isn't that big a factor in fatigue, in and of itself. I'm much more concerned with number of legs flown, total duty period, back side of the clock flying and "resting" during banker's hours. Or any combination of the above. Give me a "L-transcon" 2-day trip worth 18 hrs anyday over the "legal" monstrosities we come up with now. Transcon turns are no fix, unless you promise me good weather and tailwinds both direction.
JB Bus Drvr said:It's really funny how many folks jump on the get JB bandwagon. Generally, the people who comment in the absurd are either afraid of what we are doing or have no idea what they're talking about.
And GL, what happened to you. You used to make sense in articulate, reasonable posts. Whether I agreed or disagreed, you sounded like you put some intelligent thought into your writings. Now you've relegated yourself to the levels of UC, Siegel, and 32. WTF over.
General Lee said:I wish I were Chuck Yeager like IB6 UB9!!! He could probably do a handflown VOR 13L app blindfolded, in a huge crosswind, behind a BA 744, after a transcon turn that flew over 10 hours, including a fuel stop in DEN and T-storms avoidance near CLE!
Bye Bye--General Lee