Jetblew Is MESSED up!

[Andy]

$2,500
Not much as concur shows costs at 60 a night.
Salaried and many are not on our seniority list
Chief pilots and people dept are on salary, pins is 5 hours

Jetblue is very different in that even those fools that show up at conferences are doing it for free. Should have heard the cat fight at WIA conference.

The saving are substantial as the cost of an FO between years 5 - 10 is greater than 1 - 3.

I see your point.

How about when a line pilot goes to training? I assume they're paid their normal salary, correct?

And I assume all new hires go to the E190FO position, correct? If that's the case, there would only be a single training event when a E190FO leaves JBLU. All other attrition would require multiple training events.

 

[Splert]

A line pilot is paid less to go to training than fly the line (recurrent).

If they are transitioning then it is 70 hours and is done out of seniority to protect the operation. FO to CA is about 7 days of training. I forget the actual number of days but the foot print is very small.

Bluejet is very different.

 

[N311HK]

You guys/gals realize they just put out a legal binding contract, and then just pulled it back and made changes to it? Imagine if that happened in any other business deal, buying property, car, merger, etc. What would you think of the institution providing the document? What would you think of your situation? Srsly. Imagine buying a car and then a week later the bank comes bank and tells you we got the loan wrong? If you think training costs and loss of pilots is our leverage, we really need to rethink our situation

 

[DASHDRIVER]

So based on that, does pilots who do not sign the new agreement have the right to sue?

 

[Splert]

You guys/gals realize they just put out a legal binding contract, and then just pulled it back and made changes to it? Imagine if that happened in any other business deal, buying property, car, merger, etc. What would you think of the institution providing the document? What would you think of your situation? Srsly. Imagine buying a car and then a week later the bank comes bank and tells you we got the loan wrong? If you think training costs and loss of pilots is our leverage, we really need to rethink our situation

They are offering the 400 that signed it kneejerkstyle and amendment to the amendment.

Funny and tragic at the same time.

 

[DASHDRIVER]

Only 400 pilots signed the new agreement? That's a very solid representation of unity. Great job guys.

 

[RiddleEagle18]

You guys are forgetting that they need to hire additional instructors.

Just flew with an adjunct instructor and they are hiring additional instructors in the school house, and offering overtime.

It does cost more to train additional pilots.

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

Only 400 pilots signed the new agreement? That's a very solid representation of unity. Great job guys.

400 signed or declined by responding. We do not know how many actually accepted the PEA. Regardless, it is quite shocking (IMO) that anyone would accept without first waiting to see the response of the PVC's attorney (which will hopefully be sent to us soon after Thanksgiving). Also, the 900+ 3a guys and gals are waiting to hear from their attorney as well.

Keep the cards coming!

 

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[B6Busdriver]

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snafu

 

[BeachBummer]

fubar

snafu

Fellow pilots,

That's some good energy guys, thanks for the color on the situation. We feel that this is a good thing and put everything humanly possible into this for you guys. We realize we had our crack legal team on this for over a year but were called out by a bunch of hack pilots... (Totally not planned at all) So we want to prove the system works by fixing the stuff you caught. But not really fixing anything at all. Ideally we will lose some senior guys as this is actually good for the company.

Thanks for the pushback and all you do

Jetblue flops

 

[ExpWayVis31]

Fellow pilots,
. Ideally we will lose some senior guys as this is actually good for the company.

Thanks for the pushback and all you do

Jetblue flops

How is this good for B6? It might be good for you as you move up a number.
The problem is that B6 is bad for the profession, it's a rag tag group of independent contractors out to screw there fellow employees.

 

[pilotpayne]

How is this good for B6? It might be good for you as you move up a number.
The problem is that B6 is bad for the profession, it's a rag tag group of independent contractors out to screw there fellow employees.

Wow rag tag?

He was being SARCASTIC.

Maybe you should work on reading comprehension skills.

 

[aewanabe]

How is this good for B6? It might be good for you as you move up a number.
The problem is that B6 is bad for the profession, it's a rag tag group of independent contractors out to screw there fellow employees.

Your sarcasm detector must be MEL'd. Newest screw-job here: FAs get moved to nicer hotel in EWR at a much lower time trigger than pilots, due to VP Flight Ops overriding the hotel committee recommendation. That's right, the hierarchy here values the chip-passers more than us...

 

[BeachBummer]

How is this good for B6? It might be good for you as you move up a number.
The problem is that B6 is bad for the profession, it's a rag tag group of independent contractors out to screw there fellow employees.

This was a direct quote from the coo of jetblue. I find it embarrassing and demeaning at the same time.

I'll make sure to put a smily frowns face next time for ya!

In the grand scheme while misdirected your right.
Bb