Jet University

[The_Russian]

First of all let me start off by saying, I am sorry if I seemed unprofessional. I apologize for insulting you or anyone for that matter. It is just very irritating when someone like myself ha been through hell and back trying to realize my dream only to have people put down the way I am accomplishing it versus the way they did. I am not some 18 year old child who is ignorant of the facts. I am in my thirties and spent 8 years in the USAF, four of which as a Flight Engineer. I just wonder why a few bad apple schools out there have left such distaste that now no one is trusted.

Well, it seems you came here looking for a fight. Or, to attept to prove something. Let me tell you from experience, it won't work. The members on this forum don't care about you and your method of financial justification. Maybe you have been through hell and back, maybe not. I am not here to judge whether that is true of not. What I can say though, is that we all have. Trying to play the crying game isn't going work either, you see. There is a distaste because there is no need for the student to spend that kind of money on any training program considering industry standards for hiring. I think RSixer said it best in his last post. No one is bashing any one, per say. We are just trying to convey a lack of neccessity for these programs keeping the current status of the industry in mind.

Oh really, name a few cause now you have my curiosity. Why are these people who you consider scum of the flight training industry, your FRIENDS !

Out of respect, I shall not. This is an annonymous forum, and we will keep it that way. You also assume that I meant all of the instructors when I specifically said "some". That "some" I am talking about you will have to figure out on your own. One day in the future you will know.

I would say that is kind of hippocritical. So please help me as you say you are trying to do and tell me about these friends of yours. You may seriously be able to convince me that I made a bad choice. Truth is I don't think you know anybody on a good friend basis at Jet U.

It isn't at all hypocritical. Some I happen to believe are excellent professionals, some are not. I am not here to convince you that you made a bad choice. Only time can tell.

Lets talk about good airmanship. Being a good airman starts with Flight Discipline as a foundation. (Yes I am currently reading "Flight Discipline" by Tony Kern and have already read "Redefining Airmanship" by the same author) It has nothing to do with what school you attended. It has a lot to do with character traits. There are many things that make a good airman, such as being a good leader, critical decision making, continually learning, and knowing when to humble yourself when pride begins to snap at your heels.

Agreed. However, many people who know Tony personnally, know he is a fraud. Do a seach on him here. He isn't thought of so highly.

I will see the "other side of being a professional pilot" and it will be because I am following the right people and I am not talking about Jet U.

Once again, only time will tell.

You see I can't afford to flight instruct for two years or even a year for that matter. So that is the reason for Jet U.

You don't have to flight instruct. Four regional airlines are accepting resumes and hiring with commecial multi-instument certs. If you need flight time, there are thousands of low time openings all across the country that pay a decent salary. In S. FL there are hundreds of openings alone in just about every flying capacity that I can imagine.

When I do become an FO with a regional I am going to be a sponge and learn as much as possible from those who have come before me. I do not wish to be lumped in with the 250 hr arrogant wonders that these forums talk about all the time. Let me give you an example of how I feel about airmanship. There are some regionals that are lowering the upgrade time to captain, quite a few actually. I personnaly am not motivated by the quickest upgrade time. There are more important things such as QOL for example, but more importantly, I want the time to become that well rounded pilot before I upgrade to Captain. I respect that position and believe it must be earned not given away.

You may not have a choice in your label, but having a good attitude can help seperate you from the rest. I once had the stigma myself. I'll tell you, it stinks! That is the whole reason I am continuing this conversation with you, because I have been there.

I once again do apologize for coming off the way I did, I am just a little frustrated by all of the time wasted on the bickering. I hope that you can see and understand a little bit of what I am saying. And lastly, if you really want to guide me in the right direction, try to understand my situation first. By the way, I am still interested to know who these friends of yours are that teach at Jet U.

No problem. I do understand. I have been in your shoes. I attended the First Officer program at GAA. When I joined this forum, I attempted to defend these types of programs against all odds. Now, I can no longer take that path. I cannot defend these programs as their quality weakens and their purpose declines.

 

[The_Russian]

Aviator.. just to set it straight, nothing I said was bashing other pilots. No where did I say that if anyone who goes to JetU or any other PFT type school, makes them a bad pilot. In my mind those issues are entirely seperate. But I've been doing this for a little while, and my piont is this, there is absolutly no reason to pay these large amounts of money to schools that claim to "prepare" you for the regionals, one day you will see this.

Well said. I completely agree.

 

[aviator4life]

Well said....hmm

Whats a matter Russian, cat got your tongue. You have been called out, and you know what I am talking about. But as I see you still do not get it. People come to these sites for three reasons. One, to ask questions and hopefully get honest un-opinionated answers. Two, to actually try to help those who ask questions with facts and well intentioned advice. And finally the third type of person....and that type of person is the one who has nothing to offer up but complaining, griping and half baked opinions. So which one are you ?? I only felt the need to respond to people who have truly asked questions about such programs. I feel that maybe I could give a different perspective than what is obtained from everyone else. Turns out you have alternative reasons for the things you have said, although I really fail to see what your real gripe with Jet U really is, being that one of your good friends works there and you know that. I guess your friends don't mean too much to you. And from what I have been told, you yourself attended a similar fast track prgram to get where you are today. I won't mention what program because I do not feel it is right to do so. I do however feel as though it is pretty hippocritical of you to bash something you yourself did. Well enough said. This will be my last post to this thread, as I do not have time to rant and banter with a hippocrit. I would much prefer to help someone make an informed decision and I hope those out there who are looking for honest insight find what they are looking for and I hope they learn nothing from you.

Opinions are like a*****es everybody has one.
Try to be a mentor to someone and base your advice on the facts and not your opinion!

 

[WMUchickenhawk]

Whats a matter Russian, cat got your tongue. You have been called out, and you know what I am talking about. But as I see you still do not get it. People come to these sites for three reasons. One, to ask questions and hopefully get honest un-opinionated answers. Two, to actually try to help those who ask questions with facts and well intentioned advice. And finally the third type of person....and that type of person is the one who has nothing to offer up but complaining, griping and half baked opinions. So which one are you ?? I only felt the need to respond to people who have truly asked questions about such programs. I feel that maybe I could give a different perspective than what is obtained from everyone else. Turns out you have alternative reasons for the things you have said, although I really fail to see what your real gripe with Jet U really is, being that one of your good friends works there and you know that. I guess your friends don't mean too much to you. And from what I have been told, you yourself attended a similar fast track prgram to get where you are today. I won't mention what program because I do not feel it is right to do so. I do however feel as though it is pretty hippocritical of you to bash something you yourself did. Well enough said. This will be my last post to this thread, as I do not have time to rant and banter with a hippocrit. I would much prefer to help someone make an informed decision and I hope those out there who are looking for honest insight find what they are looking for and I hope they learn nothing from you.

Opinions are like a*****es everybody has one.
Try to be a mentor to someone and base your advice on the facts and not your opinion!

Please use paragraphs and make this at least slightly readable.

 

[The_Russian]

Well, I can see whats going on here. You really need to control your emotions and debate the topic at hand. Getting all warmed up won't do you any good. You obviously have not read anything I have written. And, like your buddies over there, have taken everything I have said out of context.

Whats a matter Russian, cat got your tongue. You have been called out, and you know what I am talking about.

No. I am not sure what you are talking about. What are you talking about? The fact that you came on here yelling and screaming about how you "did the right thing for your career" tells me you are just trying to prove a point. If you actually read my posts, you would see that I have been in your shoes. Please, don't think you are calling me out.

But as I see you still do not get it.

No, I sincerely believe it is you who does not "get it". As I have told you before, don't come on here with blazing guns expecting to get a moderate response.

People come to these sites for three reasons. One, to ask questions and hopefully get honest un-opinionated answers.

Welcome to Flight Info. Everyone is going to give their opinion whether you like it or not. Most of these guys will throw in plenty of fact for you. There are a lot of very experienced people posting on here. Which means, most of us have been there, done that.

Two, to actually try to help those who ask questions with facts and well intentioned advice.

That will happen when someone steps into the forum with calm and objective content and that posts in a manner that will recieve such advice.

And finally the third type of person....and that type of person is the one who has nothing to offer up but complaining, griping and half baked opinions.

Well, I am pretty sure that is you right now. Sorry bud, but its the truth.

So which one are you ??

Personnally, I would refer to myself as a very objective poster. Having been on both sides of the line, CFI and Fast track, I like to give it to people straight.

I only felt the need to respond to people who have truly asked questions about such programs. I feel that maybe I could give a different perspective than what is obtained from everyone else.

Well, you came off like a jerk trying to justify a poor choice which was knowingly associated with a PFT stigma. How do I know that? Once again, I was once like yourself. Where did that get me? Nowhere.

Turns out you have alternative reasons for the things you have said, although I really fail to see what your real gripe with Jet U really is, being that one of your good friends works there and you know that.

What was the alternative reason? My gripe with Jet University is the lack of actual flying experience. No situational awareness is built by sitting inside a sim running profiles for four hours at a time or during a loft. Nothing that happens in the real sky happens in that sim. Thus, reducing your situational awareness and judgement skills as a crew member. You will realize that the first time you have to think on your own, outside the profiles, to get the aircraft in a safe position to complete a manuever (ie, landing). When you get out of your sim training you will find that that time is usless in your logbook if you try to get hired somewhere other than PCL. is 27K worth that chance?

Not to mention that you didn't need the training, because you could have gotten paid to recieve it at any regional. This reason incorporates all fast track programs into the same boat. None of them are needed today to get to a high flying regional airline. My own fastrack program is usless as a tool to get a jump start into the airline industry.

I guess your friends don't mean too much to you.

Don't you ever judge my personal relationships. You have no right to bear judgement on me without first knowing me. In response to your comment, I myself am able to seperate business from pleasure. I would fail my best friend on a checkride if I he or she did not meet the standard defined. Its not a question of my abilty to maintain friendships, it is a question of duty. It is my duty to shoot you straight my brother. I am not posting here to bash anyone, I am posting to help you out. Please, at least try to listen.

And from what I have been told, you yourself attended a similar fast track prgram to get where you are today. I won't mention what program because I do not feel it is right to do so.

Well, if you go back and read what I wrote, you would see I told you already a few times. So, no reason to hold back.

I do however feel as though it is pretty hippocritical of you to bash something you yourself did.

I didn't. Once again, read up please.

Well enough said. This will be my last post to this thread, as I do not have time to rant and banter with a hippocrit. I would much prefer to help someone make an informed decision and I hope those out there who are looking for honest insight find what they are looking for and I hope they learn nothing from you.

Please try not to be so blind next time. I would reccommend that you go back and re-read the whole thread from an objective point of view. Then see that its just a guy who has been there before trying to save you a lot of heartache.

Opinions are like a*****es everybody has one.
Try to be a mentor to someone and base your advice on the facts and not your opinion!

Take your own advice. If we had time to talk on a neutral playing field, we might be able to get somewhere. Besides my "friend", the other guys there are most likely giving you a load of horse crap about me seeking their own refuge from the truth while trying to save face. If I could only tell you what some of those guys have done in the past to others. If you don't see the light that's fine, just leave my "friend" out of this. He doesn't need this petty crap right now. Especially when you present it to him out of context and in a dissimilar tone from my intent.

 

[spitfire1500]

Not to keep this annoying subject going from over a month ago. I am absolutely tired of fellow pilots on websites like these that continually bash and pick on how other people obtained their training and maybe even a job. You guys no for a fact (and I will talk facts here in a moment) that if these types of programs were available when you were first learning to fly you would have taken advantage of them. Let me give you an example. I go to a local FBO and spend lets say around 25,000.00 getting a PRIVATE, INSTRUMENT, COMMERCIAL/MULTI. Then I go to a place like JET University and spend 27,000.00 to get into a CRJ with less than 400 hours. Lets say FOR EXAMPLE YOU go to a local FBO spend the first 25,000.00 and add about another 5,000 for Commercial Single then add about 7,000.00 or so on instructor ratings. So you may have done so for a little less money but what have you lost ?? How about the senority number you lost flight instructing for two years (WHATS THAT GONNA COST YA) So in my example I may have spent a little more money than you, but I have a job and by the time you get a job in two years I will probably be your Captain. So to me its all about your situation. It is not that going to a place like Jet U is bad it is really just two ways of getting to the same place. Jet U graduates and YES I do know a few of them, are some of the most well rounded pilots and happen to, in most cases know more about the CRJ than some Captains who have been flying a CRJ for years. AND ABOUT THE TEACHING STAFF AT JET U, this is for you "The_Russian" CHECK YOUR FACTS BEFORE YOU SPOUT OFF AT THE MOUTH. Most of the instructors at Jet U probably have more experience than you. Most are current airlne pilots and some retired. One of the sim instructors has flown all over the world and even flew for many years with Eastern Airlines. SO CHECK YOUR FACTS or Just state your opinion instead of acting like you really know. Point is everybody needs to grow up and stop ballbusting thee programs. It really never helped me to make a choice of where I was going to go to school. I checked out the schools face to face, by touring them and talking to graduates and current students. Just be happy you are a pilot living your dream, and if you are not living your dream then stop flying and stop whining.

If you have 400 hours you should be flying a CRJ the way the regionals are looking for pilots right now. Any airline pilot instructing there and telling young pilots its worth 27,000 should be ashamed of themselves ( isnt there a saying for the ATP that you have to be of good moral character)...take that $27,000 and get the RJ type rating at Flight Safety or CAE. Hell for $7000 you can get a 737 type rating. I am an airline pilot and have been for awhile and when my son gets his licenses he wont be going to any programs like this.

 

[414Flyer]

Thats the problem with aviation today. Too many pilots, not enough aviators.

I would really not want to share a cockpit with someone who just goes right from flight school into a jet. I have before, they are often worthless as soon as something unplanned or unexpected happens.

 

[pgcfii2002]

You said.....uh...nevermind.........

 

[b18onboost]

any update on JET U?

 

[Flyer1015]

JetU is a sh*thole.

When you get out of your sim training you will find that that time is usless in your logbook if you try to get hired somewhere other than PCL. is 27K worth that chance?

What makes you think you CAN log that sim time? It's not a FAA certified sim, it's a static P.O.S. sim from Paradigm Solutions.

Stay away from JetU. Oh, and I know several people who were hired at Pinnacle through JetU, and STILL washed out.