Jet University

[414Flyer]

Something about aviation makes people lose common sense. What other field would have people playing that kind of money hoping to get a job with bad QOL and that pays 20k a year, or will go to an aviation school, pay upwards of 150k when its all said and done, for the same kind of job too.

 

[The_Russian]

JetU is a sh*thole.



What makes you think you CAN log that sim time? It's not a FAA certified sim, it's a static P.O.S. sim from Paradigm Solutions.

Stay away from JetU. Oh, and I know several people who were hired at Pinnacle through JetU, and STILL washed out.

You are absolutely right. I was referring to the Level D Sim time that they get for the last 20 hours or so. At that stage in your career, that sim time is useless for your career.

The static sim.......well, you said it best already. Schools like this do not exactly build good SA or competence in a pilot by doing a majority of their training in a sim. Too bad.

 

[b18onboost]

JetU is a sh*thole.



What makes you think you CAN log that sim time? It's not a FAA certified sim, it's a static P.O.S. sim from Paradigm Solutions.

Stay away from JetU. Oh, and I know several people who were hired at Pinnacle through JetU, and STILL washed out.

Could you link me on the simulator? I tried searching for Paradigm Solutions and couldn't find anything on it. Thanks a bunch

 

[b18onboost]

You are absolutely right. I was referring to the Level D Sim time that they get for the last 20 hours or so. At that stage in your career, that sim time is useless for your career.

The static sim.......well, you said it best already. Schools like this do not exactly build good SA or competence in a pilot by doing a majority of their training in a sim. Too bad.

I'm just curious how a guy that went through GAA is now bashing JETU. Plus, isn't it the same concept at GAA, they run you through the simulator, you pass a checkride and bam you become their FO. At JetU, they babysit you in the simulator, you get on with Pinknuckle (joking), and then you fly the real CRJ.

 

[PCL_128]

JetU is a sh*thole.



What makes you think you CAN log that sim time? It's not a FAA certified sim, it's a static P.O.S. sim from Paradigm Solutions.

Stay away from JetU. Oh, and I know several people who were hired at Pinnacle through JetU, and STILL washed out.

What the hell is Paradigm Solutions? They aren't using the Frasca CRJ sim?

 

[The_Russian]

I'm just curious how a guy that went through GAA is now bashing JETU. Plus, isn't it the same concept at GAA, they run you through the simulator, you pass a checkride and bam you become their FO. At JetU, they babysit you in the simulator, you get on with Pinknuckle (joking), and then you fly the real CRJ.

The programs are very different from one another. A turboprop is much more beneficial as a stepping stone than going from an uncertified sim to a CL-65. Of course that all depends on your aptitude, though. Some people are just not made to fly aircraft.

I never bashed JetU. The only point I was trying to make is that doing a program like this is no longer a positive thing to do for your career or your checkbook. This is because you can obtain a position with a regional airline without going through one of these courses. Especially one that does not offer a substantial amount of flight time or the appropriate certificates to take a position outside of a regional airline.

 

[Flyer1015]

Could you link me on the simulator? I tried searching for Paradigm Solutions and couldn't find anything on it. Thanks a bunch

Paradigm Shift Solution

http://www.paradigmshiftsolution.com/

 

[Flyer1015]

You are absolutely right. I was referring to the Level D Sim time that they get for the last 20 hours or so. At that stage in your career, that sim time is useless for your career.

The static sim.......well, you said it best already. Schools like this do not exactly build good SA or competence in a pilot by doing a majority of their training in a sim. Too bad.

LOL! Are they still advertising that BS?!?!

It's 2 hrs pilot-flying in the right seat of a MD80 Level C sim at Aeroservice in Miami. Switch with your partner, and 2 hrs in the left seat as pilot-monitoring. That is 4 hrs total in a Level C sim.

A little short of their BS lies of 20 hrs Level D sim.


Like I said, JetU is a sh*thole.

 

[Flyer1015]

I'm just curious how a guy that went through GAA is now bashing JETU.

Are you kidding me? Ex-JetU students bash JetU everyday.

 

[ALIMBO]

First of all let me start off by saying, I am sorry if I seemed unprofessional. I apologize for insulting you or anyone for that matter. It is just very irritating when someone like myself ha been through hell and back trying to realize my dream only to have people put down the way I am accomplishing it versus the way they did. I am not some 18 year old child who is ignorant of the facts. I am in my thirties and spent 8 years in the USAF, four of which as a Flight Engineer. I just wonder why a few bad apple schools out there have left such distaste that now no one is trusted.



Oh really, name a few cause now you have my curiosity. Why are these people who you consider scum of the flight training industry, your FRIENDS !
I would say that is kind of hippocritical. So please help me as you say you are trying to do and tell me about these friends of yours. You may seriously be able to convince me that I made a bad choice. Truth is I don't think you know anybody on a good friend basis at Jet U.



Lets talk about good airmanship. Being a good airman starts with Flight Discipline as a foundation. (Yes I am currently reading "Flight Discipline" by Tony Kern and have already read "Redefining Airmanship" by the same author) It has nothing to do with what school you attended. It has a lot to do with character traits. There are many things that make a good airman, such as being a good leader, critical decision making, continually learning, and knowing when to humble yourself when pride begins to snap at your heels. I will see the "other side of being a professional pilot" and it will be because I am following the right people and I am not talking about Jet U. You see I can't afford to flight instruct for two years or even a year for that matter. So that is the reason for Jet U. When I do become an FO with a regional I am going to be a sponge and learn as much as possible from those who have come before me. I do not wish to be lumped in with the 250 hr arrogant wonders that these forums talk about all the time. Let me give you an example of how I feel about airmanship. There are some regionals that are lowering the upgrade time to captain, quite a few actually. I personnaly am not motivated by the quickest upgrade time. There are more important things such as QOL for example, but more importantly, I want the time to become that well rounded pilot before I upgrade to Captain. I respect that position and believe it must be earned not given away.



I once again do apologize for coming off the way I did, I am just a little frustrated by all of the time wasted on the bickering. I hope that you can see and understand a little bit of what I am saying.

And lastly, if you really want to guide me in the right direction, try to understand my situation first. By the way, I am still interested to know who these friends of yours are that teach at Jet U.

Buddy you wont be upgrading to captain in 2 years thats for sure! On top of that I would rather build my time flight instructing and building PIC time. Your 2000 hours you will have in a couple of years is what maybe 1700 hours SIC. Its not useless its just not as valuable as PIC time. To me its a waste instructing is a good way to learn how to become a better pilot by watching the mistakes of others. Instead of being an autopilot jockey.

 

[PCL_128]

Hate to break it to you, but single-engine piston PIC isn't exactly valuable time either.

 

[The_Russian]

Hate to break it to you, but single-engine piston PIC isn't exactly valuable time either.

It is to my operation.

 

[414Flyer]

Well who cares, go with whatever gives you Quality of Life. Part of the problem is people rationalize taking crappy jobs with crappy wages, is that the time is "valuable" and willl get them somewhere. Any job could be rationalized like that.

There is no guarantee anything will get you anywhere in aviation, and I do not look for it to change anytime soon. If it sounds like a good job, pays well, is someplace great, the the kind of time it is ranks secondary to me.

 

[Flyer1015]

Actually at Pinnacle, you can upgrade in about 2 years even as a low time pilot. There is a mentor program meant for those hired at Pinnacle with 500TT or less. You fly at least 1300 hours in the Pinnacle CRJ, and once you have 1800TT, you can enter the mentor program and fly with certain mentor Captains for 100 hrs. Once you hit 2000TT, you are eligible to upgrade to Captain with the credit from the mentor program. So even if you're hired with 500TT or even less, you can upgrade at Pinnacle in 2 years.

 

[The_Russian]

Well who cares, go with whatever gives you Quality of Life. Part of the problem is people rationalize taking crappy jobs with crappy wages, is that the time is "valuable" and willl get them somewhere. Any job could be rationalized like that.

There is no guarantee anything will get you anywhere in aviation, and I do not look for it to change anytime soon. If it sounds like a good job, pays well, is someplace great, the the kind of time it is ranks secondary to me.

Well said, as always.

BTW, your avatar is awesome.

 

[fl350av8rix]

Referring to a few posts back, they don't even give you the 4 hours in the MD-80 sim anymore. Also, a friend of mine who is currently in the program told me they just changed the program to simply a "generic" jet transition program.

 

[Flyer1015]

Referring to a few posts back, they don't even give you the 4 hours in the MD-80 sim anymore. Also, a friend of mine who is currently in the program told me they just changed the program to simply a "generic" jet transition program.

LOL! I'm not surprised.

 

[BrownStreak]

Before I say this, I want to point out that I'm not speaking of every JetU grad, just the ones I know.

Two of the worst pilots I've ever had to fly with came from that rickshaw operation. While they both clearly were able to make it through the sim as they were out flying the line, they were better described as ballast in the real aircraft. Not even a little situational awareness or ability to learn and adapt. One of them completely stopped flying the airplane at 50ft AGL during every single attempt at a landing he made. I have never had to take the controls from one individual so many times, and it wasn't to make the flight smooth, it was to stop a crash.

Aviator4Life, you miss our points. I could sit here and rip on the ability, or lack thereof, of these kids who come from a place like JetU...but that wouldn't solve the problem. What we are all saying is that life experience is what makes a good pilot, not learning how to watch the autopilot do approaches in a fancy microsoft flight simulator that maybe resembles a real airplane. You really think those clowns know the systems better than the captains? Please. They may be able to spout off ten times the inconsequencial numbers, but if they can't operate the systems correctly during day to day operations then I pose this question...What the hell good are they to me? It makes my life harder and quite frankly if and when a situation were to arise I would likely be better off handling it on my own as opposed to letting a guy like that make it worse.

You need to get off your high horse and realize that you don't know every f***ing thing. Be humble and realize there are better ways to learn than to drop the cost of a decent vehicle on a nonsense and worthless "school" operated by a bunch of airline washouts.

The eastern guy you refer to is a good teacher as I've experienced for myself, but the jack@ss that runs the place couldn't even pass upgrade in the BE1900 and flunked out of FO initial at one of the DL connection carriers.

You want to give your money to these clowns? Go ahead, but I'd take everything they tell you with a grain of salt...and don't expect to be trusted by any of us that have had the experience of protecting the aircraft from one of the lackies that came from there. They are liars, and no matter what they tell you they cannot guarentee you a d@mn thing.

To anyone else considering a program like that....hear this:
With the way things currently are, you would be much better off taking that money and splitting time in a light twin (a duchess or seneca, research it they are out there) with another person and FLY. It's the only way you're going to gain any useful experience. Don't think the regionals are oblivious to the fact that guys who show up with real flight time like this are way more likely to succeed in training. Good luck to all.

 

[acaTerry]

How about the senority number you lost flight instructing for two years (WHATS THAT GONNA COST YA)

Just be happy you are a pilot living your dream, and if you are not living your dream then stop flying and stop whining.

Well, don't go on the seniority claim. That's a favorite of the phony "in the know" salespeople at these places. For all you know, all you may be missing is a furlough. It's aviation...unpredictable.

Learn to spell...it's "know" not "no". It is hard to make a point and sound smart when you spell like a first-grade student.

Normally The Russian and I are arguing because we talk politics and Ruskie is a flaming liberal (that's a shot Ruskie ) but I'm 100% on board with Ruskie here. I think YOU may want to button the mouth before you get into it.

And finally, my favorite...you are obviously a newbie in professional flying. I can tell by your comment on "be happy to be a pilot" and "quit whining". First, we are all happy that we are pilots. But spouting off about the poor pay and working conditions is NOT whining. When you have invested years and tons of money only to be screwed, it is not whining. Whining is complaining about winning $1,000,000 in a $50,000,000 lottery. My prediction is that when the shiny coat of new pilot afterglow wears off and you have been screwed like the regional pilots, that you too will sing a different tune.
In the meantime, I will just watch here from the fractional sidelines thanking God that I am no longer an airline pilot.

 

[acaTerry]

Hate to break it to you, but single-engine piston PIC isn't exactly valuable time either.

Maybe not the best, but I'd rather have a piston king who can put a picture together because he's benn flying an AIRPLANE in REAL FLIGHT with ATC and OTHER PLANES and WEATHER than a whizbang simulator pro who 250 hrs of flying time but 500 in a box that is simply a mathematically programmed product, and thinks he's Superpilot.