Jet University

[spitfire1500]

Not to keep this annoying subject going from over a month ago. I am absolutely tired of fellow pilots on websites like these that continually bash and pick on how other people obtained their training and maybe even a job. You guys no for a fact (and I will talk facts here in a moment) that if these types of programs were available when you were first learning to fly you would have taken advantage of them. Let me give you an example. I go to a local FBO and spend lets say around 25,000.00 getting a PRIVATE, INSTRUMENT, COMMERCIAL/MULTI. Then I go to a place like JET University and spend 27,000.00 to get into a CRJ with less than 400 hours. Lets say FOR EXAMPLE YOU go to a local FBO spend the first 25,000.00 and add about another 5,000 for Commercial Single then add about 7,000.00 or so on instructor ratings. So you may have done so for a little less money but what have you lost ?? How about the senority number you lost flight instructing for two years (WHATS THAT GONNA COST YA) So in my example I may have spent a little more money than you, but I have a job and by the time you get a job in two years I will probably be your Captain. So to me its all about your situation. It is not that going to a place like Jet U is bad it is really just two ways of getting to the same place. Jet U graduates and YES I do know a few of them, are some of the most well rounded pilots and happen to, in most cases know more about the CRJ than some Captains who have been flying a CRJ for years. AND ABOUT THE TEACHING STAFF AT JET U, this is for you "The_Russian" CHECK YOUR FACTS BEFORE YOU SPOUT OFF AT THE MOUTH. Most of the instructors at Jet U probably have more experience than you. Most are current airlne pilots and some retired. One of the sim instructors has flown all over the world and even flew for many years with Eastern Airlines. SO CHECK YOUR FACTS or Just state your opinion instead of acting like you really know. Point is everybody needs to grow up and stop ballbusting thee programs. It really never helped me to make a choice of where I was going to go to school. I checked out the schools face to face, by touring them and talking to graduates and current students. Just be happy you are a pilot living your dream, and if you are not living your dream then stop flying and stop whining.

If you have 400 hours you should be flying a CRJ the way the regionals are looking for pilots right now. Any airline pilot instructing there and telling young pilots its worth 27,000 should be ashamed of themselves ( isnt there a saying for the ATP that you have to be of good moral character)...take that $27,000 and get the RJ type rating at Flight Safety or CAE. Hell for $7000 you can get a 737 type rating. I am an airline pilot and have been for awhile and when my son gets his licenses he wont be going to any programs like this.

 

[414Flyer]

Thats the problem with aviation today. Too many pilots, not enough aviators.

I would really not want to share a cockpit with someone who just goes right from flight school into a jet. I have before, they are often worthless as soon as something unplanned or unexpected happens.

 

[pgcfii2002]

You said.....uh...nevermind.........

 

[b18onboost]

any update on JET U?

 

[Flyer1015]

JetU is a sh*thole.

When you get out of your sim training you will find that that time is usless in your logbook if you try to get hired somewhere other than PCL. is 27K worth that chance?

What makes you think you CAN log that sim time? It's not a FAA certified sim, it's a static P.O.S. sim from Paradigm Solutions.

Stay away from JetU. Oh, and I know several people who were hired at Pinnacle through JetU, and STILL washed out.

 

[414Flyer]

Something about aviation makes people lose common sense. What other field would have people playing that kind of money hoping to get a job with bad QOL and that pays 20k a year, or will go to an aviation school, pay upwards of 150k when its all said and done, for the same kind of job too.

 

[The_Russian]

JetU is a sh*thole.



What makes you think you CAN log that sim time? It's not a FAA certified sim, it's a static P.O.S. sim from Paradigm Solutions.

Stay away from JetU. Oh, and I know several people who were hired at Pinnacle through JetU, and STILL washed out.

You are absolutely right. I was referring to the Level D Sim time that they get for the last 20 hours or so. At that stage in your career, that sim time is useless for your career.

The static sim.......well, you said it best already. Schools like this do not exactly build good SA or competence in a pilot by doing a majority of their training in a sim. Too bad.

 

[b18onboost]

JetU is a sh*thole.



What makes you think you CAN log that sim time? It's not a FAA certified sim, it's a static P.O.S. sim from Paradigm Solutions.

Stay away from JetU. Oh, and I know several people who were hired at Pinnacle through JetU, and STILL washed out.

Could you link me on the simulator? I tried searching for Paradigm Solutions and couldn't find anything on it. Thanks a bunch

 

[b18onboost]

You are absolutely right. I was referring to the Level D Sim time that they get for the last 20 hours or so. At that stage in your career, that sim time is useless for your career.

The static sim.......well, you said it best already. Schools like this do not exactly build good SA or competence in a pilot by doing a majority of their training in a sim. Too bad.

I'm just curious how a guy that went through GAA is now bashing JETU. Plus, isn't it the same concept at GAA, they run you through the simulator, you pass a checkride and bam you become their FO. At JetU, they babysit you in the simulator, you get on with Pinknuckle (joking), and then you fly the real CRJ.

 

[PCL_128]

JetU is a sh*thole.



What makes you think you CAN log that sim time? It's not a FAA certified sim, it's a static P.O.S. sim from Paradigm Solutions.

Stay away from JetU. Oh, and I know several people who were hired at Pinnacle through JetU, and STILL washed out.

What the hell is Paradigm Solutions? They aren't using the Frasca CRJ sim?

 

[The_Russian]

I'm just curious how a guy that went through GAA is now bashing JETU. Plus, isn't it the same concept at GAA, they run you through the simulator, you pass a checkride and bam you become their FO. At JetU, they babysit you in the simulator, you get on with Pinknuckle (joking), and then you fly the real CRJ.

The programs are very different from one another. A turboprop is much more beneficial as a stepping stone than going from an uncertified sim to a CL-65. Of course that all depends on your aptitude, though. Some people are just not made to fly aircraft.

I never bashed JetU. The only point I was trying to make is that doing a program like this is no longer a positive thing to do for your career or your checkbook. This is because you can obtain a position with a regional airline without going through one of these courses. Especially one that does not offer a substantial amount of flight time or the appropriate certificates to take a position outside of a regional airline.

 

[Flyer1015]

Could you link me on the simulator? I tried searching for Paradigm Solutions and couldn't find anything on it. Thanks a bunch

Paradigm Shift Solution

http://www.paradigmshiftsolution.com/

 

[Flyer1015]

You are absolutely right. I was referring to the Level D Sim time that they get for the last 20 hours or so. At that stage in your career, that sim time is useless for your career.

The static sim.......well, you said it best already. Schools like this do not exactly build good SA or competence in a pilot by doing a majority of their training in a sim. Too bad.

LOL! Are they still advertising that BS?!?!

It's 2 hrs pilot-flying in the right seat of a MD80 Level C sim at Aeroservice in Miami. Switch with your partner, and 2 hrs in the left seat as pilot-monitoring. That is 4 hrs total in a Level C sim.

A little short of their BS lies of 20 hrs Level D sim.


Like I said, JetU is a sh*thole.

 

[Flyer1015]

I'm just curious how a guy that went through GAA is now bashing JETU.

Are you kidding me? Ex-JetU students bash JetU everyday.

 

[ALIMBO]

First of all let me start off by saying, I am sorry if I seemed unprofessional. I apologize for insulting you or anyone for that matter. It is just very irritating when someone like myself ha been through hell and back trying to realize my dream only to have people put down the way I am accomplishing it versus the way they did. I am not some 18 year old child who is ignorant of the facts. I am in my thirties and spent 8 years in the USAF, four of which as a Flight Engineer. I just wonder why a few bad apple schools out there have left such distaste that now no one is trusted.



Oh really, name a few cause now you have my curiosity. Why are these people who you consider scum of the flight training industry, your FRIENDS !
I would say that is kind of hippocritical. So please help me as you say you are trying to do and tell me about these friends of yours. You may seriously be able to convince me that I made a bad choice. Truth is I don't think you know anybody on a good friend basis at Jet U.



Lets talk about good airmanship. Being a good airman starts with Flight Discipline as a foundation. (Yes I am currently reading "Flight Discipline" by Tony Kern and have already read "Redefining Airmanship" by the same author) It has nothing to do with what school you attended. It has a lot to do with character traits. There are many things that make a good airman, such as being a good leader, critical decision making, continually learning, and knowing when to humble yourself when pride begins to snap at your heels. I will see the "other side of being a professional pilot" and it will be because I am following the right people and I am not talking about Jet U. You see I can't afford to flight instruct for two years or even a year for that matter. So that is the reason for Jet U. When I do become an FO with a regional I am going to be a sponge and learn as much as possible from those who have come before me. I do not wish to be lumped in with the 250 hr arrogant wonders that these forums talk about all the time. Let me give you an example of how I feel about airmanship. There are some regionals that are lowering the upgrade time to captain, quite a few actually. I personnaly am not motivated by the quickest upgrade time. There are more important things such as QOL for example, but more importantly, I want the time to become that well rounded pilot before I upgrade to Captain. I respect that position and believe it must be earned not given away.



I once again do apologize for coming off the way I did, I am just a little frustrated by all of the time wasted on the bickering. I hope that you can see and understand a little bit of what I am saying.

And lastly, if you really want to guide me in the right direction, try to understand my situation first. By the way, I am still interested to know who these friends of yours are that teach at Jet U.

Buddy you wont be upgrading to captain in 2 years thats for sure! On top of that I would rather build my time flight instructing and building PIC time. Your 2000 hours you will have in a couple of years is what maybe 1700 hours SIC. Its not useless its just not as valuable as PIC time. To me its a waste instructing is a good way to learn how to become a better pilot by watching the mistakes of others. Instead of being an autopilot jockey.