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[PCL_128]

Hate to break it to you, but single-engine piston PIC isn't exactly valuable time either.

 

[The_Russian]

Hate to break it to you, but single-engine piston PIC isn't exactly valuable time either.

It is to my operation.

 

[414Flyer]

Well who cares, go with whatever gives you Quality of Life. Part of the problem is people rationalize taking crappy jobs with crappy wages, is that the time is "valuable" and willl get them somewhere. Any job could be rationalized like that.

There is no guarantee anything will get you anywhere in aviation, and I do not look for it to change anytime soon. If it sounds like a good job, pays well, is someplace great, the the kind of time it is ranks secondary to me.

 

[Flyer1015]

Actually at Pinnacle, you can upgrade in about 2 years even as a low time pilot. There is a mentor program meant for those hired at Pinnacle with 500TT or less. You fly at least 1300 hours in the Pinnacle CRJ, and once you have 1800TT, you can enter the mentor program and fly with certain mentor Captains for 100 hrs. Once you hit 2000TT, you are eligible to upgrade to Captain with the credit from the mentor program. So even if you're hired with 500TT or even less, you can upgrade at Pinnacle in 2 years.

 

[The_Russian]

Well who cares, go with whatever gives you Quality of Life. Part of the problem is people rationalize taking crappy jobs with crappy wages, is that the time is "valuable" and willl get them somewhere. Any job could be rationalized like that.

There is no guarantee anything will get you anywhere in aviation, and I do not look for it to change anytime soon. If it sounds like a good job, pays well, is someplace great, the the kind of time it is ranks secondary to me.

Well said, as always.

BTW, your avatar is awesome.

 

[fl350av8rix]

Referring to a few posts back, they don't even give you the 4 hours in the MD-80 sim anymore. Also, a friend of mine who is currently in the program told me they just changed the program to simply a "generic" jet transition program.

 

[Flyer1015]

Referring to a few posts back, they don't even give you the 4 hours in the MD-80 sim anymore. Also, a friend of mine who is currently in the program told me they just changed the program to simply a "generic" jet transition program.

LOL! I'm not surprised.

 

[BrownStreak]

Before I say this, I want to point out that I'm not speaking of every JetU grad, just the ones I know.

Two of the worst pilots I've ever had to fly with came from that rickshaw operation. While they both clearly were able to make it through the sim as they were out flying the line, they were better described as ballast in the real aircraft. Not even a little situational awareness or ability to learn and adapt. One of them completely stopped flying the airplane at 50ft AGL during every single attempt at a landing he made. I have never had to take the controls from one individual so many times, and it wasn't to make the flight smooth, it was to stop a crash.

Aviator4Life, you miss our points. I could sit here and rip on the ability, or lack thereof, of these kids who come from a place like JetU...but that wouldn't solve the problem. What we are all saying is that life experience is what makes a good pilot, not learning how to watch the autopilot do approaches in a fancy microsoft flight simulator that maybe resembles a real airplane. You really think those clowns know the systems better than the captains? Please. They may be able to spout off ten times the inconsequencial numbers, but if they can't operate the systems correctly during day to day operations then I pose this question...What the hell good are they to me? It makes my life harder and quite frankly if and when a situation were to arise I would likely be better off handling it on my own as opposed to letting a guy like that make it worse.

You need to get off your high horse and realize that you don't know every f***ing thing. Be humble and realize there are better ways to learn than to drop the cost of a decent vehicle on a nonsense and worthless "school" operated by a bunch of airline washouts.

The eastern guy you refer to is a good teacher as I've experienced for myself, but the jack@ss that runs the place couldn't even pass upgrade in the BE1900 and flunked out of FO initial at one of the DL connection carriers.

You want to give your money to these clowns? Go ahead, but I'd take everything they tell you with a grain of salt...and don't expect to be trusted by any of us that have had the experience of protecting the aircraft from one of the lackies that came from there. They are liars, and no matter what they tell you they cannot guarentee you a d@mn thing.

To anyone else considering a program like that....hear this:
With the way things currently are, you would be much better off taking that money and splitting time in a light twin (a duchess or seneca, research it they are out there) with another person and FLY. It's the only way you're going to gain any useful experience. Don't think the regionals are oblivious to the fact that guys who show up with real flight time like this are way more likely to succeed in training. Good luck to all.

 

[acaTerry]

How about the senority number you lost flight instructing for two years (WHATS THAT GONNA COST YA)

Just be happy you are a pilot living your dream, and if you are not living your dream then stop flying and stop whining.

Well, don't go on the seniority claim. That's a favorite of the phony "in the know" salespeople at these places. For all you know, all you may be missing is a furlough. It's aviation...unpredictable.

Learn to spell...it's "know" not "no". It is hard to make a point and sound smart when you spell like a first-grade student.

Normally The Russian and I are arguing because we talk politics and Ruskie is a flaming liberal (that's a shot Ruskie ) but I'm 100% on board with Ruskie here. I think YOU may want to button the mouth before you get into it.

And finally, my favorite...you are obviously a newbie in professional flying. I can tell by your comment on "be happy to be a pilot" and "quit whining". First, we are all happy that we are pilots. But spouting off about the poor pay and working conditions is NOT whining. When you have invested years and tons of money only to be screwed, it is not whining. Whining is complaining about winning $1,000,000 in a $50,000,000 lottery. My prediction is that when the shiny coat of new pilot afterglow wears off and you have been screwed like the regional pilots, that you too will sing a different tune.
In the meantime, I will just watch here from the fractional sidelines thanking God that I am no longer an airline pilot.

 

[acaTerry]

Hate to break it to you, but single-engine piston PIC isn't exactly valuable time either.

Maybe not the best, but I'd rather have a piston king who can put a picture together because he's benn flying an AIRPLANE in REAL FLIGHT with ATC and OTHER PLANES and WEATHER than a whizbang simulator pro who 250 hrs of flying time but 500 in a box that is simply a mathematically programmed product, and thinks he's Superpilot.

 

[The General]

Hey.. listen "The Russian," i just want you to know one thing.. and one thing only. So listen up. and stop with your "belly-achin" and your "cryin." If theres one thing, and only one thing that you need to know about this whole situation (granted you can stop your "whyning" and "teary-eyed nonsense") is that you need to (if you can stop your "mickey-mousing" and "mope tactics") is that you must know by now... and must know it by heart... with your heart and soul....your inner-most thighs and desires...in your wildest and tamest visions in the silence of the night...that I...I.... I can NOT do this long distance relationship anymore.

 

[MEXICANFLYBOY]

Are you kidding me? Ex-JetU students bash JetU everyday.

some of them they go bankrupt or go back to sue JET U, most of them file complaints to the BBS because they get rip off every day!

I guess your local FBO will it been better of than JET U..

I am sorry for those students that are now in JET U... and yes they also get wash out from PIN... the best thing to do is call the regionals, but right now times are very creapy!

just stay away from JET WHO?

 

[spitfire1500]

I sometimes get these Avation magazines free in the mail, well I recieved one called "AutoPilot" this magazine had an article about Jet U saying how it has been such saving grace for the Airlines. It goes on by saying how much money these poor CRJ operators have to spend to train its pilots, and not in so many words how Jet U can pass that cost on to the trainees by having them pay $27,000 for CRJ-200 ground/FTD trianing, drug testing and your TSA backround check. Isn't that just wonderfull, sign me up! Not to mention after all that money (not including your stay in the Ft.Lauderdale area) your not even type rated in the aircraft. Not to start yet another P.F.T. debate, but I said before and i'll say it agian these places just piss me the *&^@ off.

27K!!!!!!!!!! You can go get the rating for less than that (hell I had a friend that just got typed in the 747 for 15K).....Drug test and backround checks...worthless. They have to be conducted by a company that hires you regardless of them done previously. These schools really piss me off taking advantage of newcomers to the industry!!! For 27K you are getting nothing worthwhile(especially in an FTD...you might as well fly microsoft sim all an FTD is good for is flows and switchology)!! I was an instructor (Sim and ground) and a Proficiency check airman for a regional on the ERJ for a few years. The best experience you can get that we liked to see was real life multi engine instrument time! So you went to ground school for the CRJ......not gonna do you much good for a job at all the carriers without them...especially the 200 those things are archaic and heading to the boneyard....or China the 700 and 900 versions are what most are using now

 

[1.3XVso]

russian babuska

Hows it going chief? long time no talk.pm me.

 

[1.3XVso]

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