Jet Blue = Good Stuff

[dicko]

Blue Bayou uses only the facts that are convenient to him. For example, the 190 as a group 1 aircraft is lumped in with the 717 and DC9, which are flown by Hawaiian, Airtran, and Delta, respectively. The current book and/or TA'd rates for those jets are all above the 190, even though the 190 has greater range and a greater MTOW than either of those jets.

Are we the highest paid 190 drivers? Yep. Does the jet operate in a special mission vacuum that dictates only regional compensation applies? Only in the wet-dreams of management and their lackeys.

The E190 has a MTOW greater than 117,000 lb (717) ?

 

[aewanabe]

I was told the 717 was 113.5k. The E190 AR version we fly is 114.5k, so not quite. Sorry for the bad info.

 

[dicko]

I was told the 717 was 113.5k. The E190 AR version we fly is 114.5k, so not quite. Sorry for the bad info.

No worries. The only reason I could even remember the 1(17),000 lb number was the fact it matches the last two in 7(17).

I regularly use my toes to remember limitations :cartman:

 

[rajflyboy]

2100 Pilots. Thats amazing. You guys have really grown in the last 10 years. I hope the pilot group can get at least industry standard wages and benefits.

I think you have a great product and if you can get the pay and all straight you definately have a place you can retire.

Obviously JB has some money. Just look at the JFK terminal.

Where are the bases? JFK, Longbeach, Lauderdale?

 

[aewanabe]

All those, plus BOS, MCO. BOS is or will shortly be the biggest 190 base.

 

[B6Busdriver]

730+/- slightly over 1/3 of us, are the one's involved with a suit against the company for pay violations.

For the record, is NOT a suit. The pilots involved are simply trying to use a dispute resolution process as set up by the company. The company is making every attempt to make the process as difficult as possible. So far they have been spanked but have once again tried to stop the process. The company wants nothing to do with 700+ pilots working together through an attorney.
The true colors of JetBlue are being shone for sure.

 

[rajflyboy]

All those, plus BOS, MCO. BOS is or will shortly be the biggest 190 base.

At least you have more choices than JFK

 

[clr4theapch]

S of today, Jet Blue is a LCC/ National Airline section thread... you all have your chance to address this subject right now by answering the sticky threads on the major/ mainline section.. but for now this move gets moved..

clr4...mod

 

[ArmadilloJackal]

clr4theapch. Why don't you define the differences for us please. I will happily argue each one of your points or cede them to you.

 

[clr4theapch]

This is the way it has been for years.. HOWEVER.. if you do as I asked above and go to the Majors section.. you will find our sticky threads that ask for your input on this matter as we look for ways to improve flight Info.. This matter is one of those questions..

I don't have an arguement for you.. BUt with 37 posts to your credit, you might want to take a lighter approach if you want to make a meaningful suggestion they we will really consider..

 

[B6Busdriver]

This is the way it has been for years.. HOWEVER.. if you do as I asked above and go to the Majors section.. you will find our sticky threads that ask for your input on this matter as we look for ways to improve flight Info.. This matter is one of those questions..

I don't have an arguement for you.. BUt with 37 posts to your credit, you might want to take a lighter approach if you want to make a meaningful suggestion they we will really consider..

The sticky doesn't say jack. It sounds like someone ( moderator ) has his or her panties in a wad. Wow, we are not worthy to be in the majors section. Don't you have something better to do?

 

[av8tor4239]

I am against the ALPA push at JB right now.. I will vote, but my vote will be NO... Thank you!

 

[ArmadilloJackal]

That sounds a little like attacking the person and not the issue. Who cares how many posts I have. Can I still not make a valid point? I simply want to know what constitutes a major in the Flightinfo.com definition book. It seems a little arbitrary to me or whatever the moderators FEEL is a major. Having to switch forums to see current info is a usability problem for those looking to quickly browse new posts for Major airlines. I know I'll miss JB related stuff if it's in a different forum.

 

[B6Busdriver]

I am against the ALPA push at JB right now.. I will vote, but my vote will be NO... Thank you!

Do you care to share why?

 

[av8tor4239]

Do you care to share why?

As long as you do not rip my head off, and respect my opinion...

 

[cowboy55]

Im still trying to figure how proALPA guys say our 10% retirement is below average? I asked a few ALPA Coordinating Committee members and they don't even know what the average carrier gets. But they still tell me we are below average. Not the kind of people I want negotiating on my behalf.

 

[B6Busdriver]

Im still trying to figure how proALPA guys say our 10% retirement is below average? I asked a few ALPA Coordinating Committee members and they don't even know what the average carrier gets. But they still tell me we are below average. Not the kind of people I want negotiating on my behalf.

It's all in the latest OC newsletter that should have come to your house. It's also been covered in the PCRB report. We actually get 5% matching and 5% so called "guaranteed" profit sharing that is subject to board approval.

Here is the rest of the industry:

Air Tran.................Currently 10.5% increasing to 12.5% by 7/1/13
Alaska...................13.5% plus profit sharing
AA........................11% plus profit sharing plus a defined benefit
CO........................12.75% plus profit sharing
Delta.....................14% on 1/1/11 plus profit sharing
Hawaiian................15% plus profit sharing
Southwest..............9.3% plus profit sharing...................look at their pay!
United....................16% plus profit sharing
US Airways..............10% plus profit sharing.


Even if you are against a union I implore you to know your own benefits and how they compare to the rest of the industry.

 

[B6Busdriver]

As long as you do not rip my head off, and respect my opinion...

LOL. I'm tired of the emotion, let's here it! No head ripping, beatings, or tongue lashings.

 

[cowboy55]

I took all of their numbers and subtracted 2% for union dues. And the average came out to 10.673%. I would say we are just about average. Do they get profit sharing even when the company takes a loss? Not convincing enough.

 

[B6Busdriver]

I took all of their numbers and subtracted 2% for union dues. And the average came out to 10.673%. I would say we are just about average. Do they get profit sharing even when the company takes a loss? Not convincing enough.

You aren't even counting AA's B plan which would bring it well above your number. Furthermore the number I come up with is 12.5%. Add any profit sharing and the numbers go WAY up. WN payrates fund any shortfall in their retirement. Your profit sharing is NOT guaranteed. Stick your head in the sand if you like. As for dues it is 1.95% and to simply subtract that off your retirement is foolish. If you don't want a union that's fine but at least look at the facts. Figures lie and liars figure....or is the other way around?
See pages 8 and 9 of the 2008 PCRB report for all the deficiencies. In their findings the industry average is 13% vs 10% at JetBlue. It's even greater when you factor in the loss of interest with annual profit sharing payment.

I'll gladly pay 1.95% for scope, better merger protection, legal representation, health insurance on long term disability.....just to name a few. NO guarantees on what will be in a contract but at least we have an opportunity to negotiate.