Jet Blue benefits, healthcare cost?

[goingflying]

Ahhemm, Back to the subject

Thank you those who gave me info about Jetblue bennies. One other question, is there any delay in getting benifits or are they available upon completion of training?

Thank you again

 

[Smarta$$]

Thank you for your extremely articulate and well-thought-out responses. Actually, I like my healthcare the way it is right now - although I think health insurance should be a personal tax write-off instead of a corporate burden. That is a huge point that seems to be ignored.... Why?

Instead of writing out another thesis, I'll agree to disagree with many of your assertions and I will point out the following:

1. Obamacare does very little to address the actual cost of healthcare delivery (no real cost containment effort beyond reducing doctors' reimbursement rates via "capitation" even though doctor costs continue to rise...). We could very well end up with lower quality doctors because the profit-potential in certain areas like Family Practice just won't be there. Say hello to your imported Romanian doctor or a Physician's Assistant with no MD degree.

2. Obamacare adds tremendous complexity to healthcare and most large organizations (according to a WSJ article last week - which I am sure you have read) are hiring expensive consultants and lawyers to help them ensure compliance with the 2,000+ page bill. Why so much complexity and so many new regulations? Complexity and the resulting fear of non-compliance penalties could convince companies to drop their workers from their own sponsored health plans... I would rather just pay any fine and allow others to deal with the complexity if I were in charge.

3. Creating another HUGE entitlement that we cannot afford will likely result in what we are seeing in Europe - bursting budgets and huge deficits leading to bankruptcy and painful government austerity programs. The European way of doing things for citizens clearly does NOT work well and adding this entitlement will only bring us closer to the European reality. The US will become the next Greece or Ireland. And with this new, huge entitlement we will also get mediocre, rationed healthcare to boot (because we can't afford to write blank checks for unlimited care)... Sounds great.

So, there you have it. You have some good points but I'll agree to disagree in general. That's ok because all have our own political perspective.

How about we get back to our original programming for everyone's sake? Back to our airline discussions.

Happy holidays!

Sounds good. Merry Christmas to you and yours.

 

[Splert]

Over the past 20 years the health insurance company’s administrative cost has gone down while premiums have gone up.

Why?

Simple.

How much did an angioplasty cost in 1960'? Zero.

Why? It wasn't invested yet.

Health care costs are skyrocketing because of the simple meeting of two different factors. High tech medicine and lots and lots of older people with unlimited access to this high tech medicine is the cost driver.

Want to lower cost it will take restricted access.

 

[Smarta$$]

Over the past 20 years the health insurance company’s administrative cost has gone down while premiums have gone up.

Why?

Simple.

How much did an angioplasty cost in 1960'? Zero.

Why? It wasn't invested yet.

Health care costs are skyrocketing because of the simple meeting of two different factors. High tech medicine and lots and lots of older people with unlimited access to this high tech medicine is the cost driver.

Want to lower cost it will take restricted access.

Our inability to re-import brand name drugs is also devastating. No reason we should pay 400 per month for Lipitor when a Canadian, Australian, British, Japanese, French, Norwegian, Dutch.... citizen can get it for 80 bucks.

 

[Dave's kid]

Thank you those who gave me info about Jetblue bennies. One other question, is there any delay in getting benifits or are they available upon completion of training?

Thank you again

I'll try to help keep the thread on track. There is only a short delay in getting the benefits. Most benefits begin the first of the month after 30 days of employment. So for example, if you're hired the December 10, your benefits begin February 1.

 

[goingflying]

Thank you. Merry Christmas

 

[TDK90]

Do you get any flight benefits with other carriers (AA or Lufthansa) or is it ZEDs and CASS
only?

 

[Splert]

I'm not sure which plan you're looking at. The plan with the 2000/4000 deductibles is $283/month. And how is STD lacking other than an OJI hole? I know several pilots that got sick and got paid, no trouble at all. I can't speak to the LTD, I don't know anyone on it.

We have 4 plans. Ranging from the high deductable/low family premium at $54/month. To a low deductable/copay/high family premium at $566/month. The $566/month plan will cost you $20/office visit with a yearly family max of $2000.

STD is lacking because we have to pay for it and we can never accumulate enough sick time to drop it and the company will not provide the loss ratio to the pilot group to determine what we are actually paying for. That is first.

Second, it pay up to $1,500 a week. For a CA that is not enough.

Third, the calculation of income to determine your benefit could have you collecting less than 60% of your income (up to 60%). We have had more than a few guys collect 36% of his her FO income. This was after the company said that would never happen - we are jetblue we do the right thing. Yeah right.

Forth, pre-existing condions were excluded from benefits and now a waiting period.

Fifth it pays secondary to state disability - carves out the benefit. So many crew member have to pay twice for the same benefits (State SDI and VSTS).

Shall I continue?

 

[xjhawk]

so from the regional airline I work for now….my health costs will more than double? Okay, got it. Take a pay cut for two years-four if you count the difference in medical costs. Perfect. Those of you arguing national healthcare policy…..start a new thread please. Its an important issue, but not what this thread is for.

 

[Splert]

Holy Thread Resurrection!!!

 

[BentOver]

Who cares? It's just a matter of time. Thanks to Barry Obama, we'll all be standing in lines outside our local hospitals praying that at least one bed is left unoccupied. JB won't subidize you as their healthcare costs escalate - it will just be easier to pay the fine and let everyone roll-off onto the Government list (watch out for the DEATH PANELS!). There won't be any more waivers (like the one McDonalds and Boeing just got) left. But at least Obama supports the unions....

Have fun with that...

Don't know about you, but under Obama I've gotten 2 very good jobs during and after the recession.

Under the last president I lost 2 jobs.... Oh and the economy went in the absolute tank...

Never understood why most pilots are die hard against Obama/ democrats? Seems the airline industry typically does better under democrats...

Bush I....gulf war, furloughs, no jobs, needed thousands of hours just to get into a puddle jumping regional.

Clinton..... Lots of mainline hiring, no furloughs?,

Bush II....need I say more?

Obama..... Slowly coming back..for me it's been outstanding.

I don't talk or care about politics, but just looking at recent 25 yr history tells me the airline industry works better with a democrat in office.... Just an observation

 

[CapnVegetto]

Don't know about you, but under Obama I've gotten 2 very good jobs during and after the recession.

Under the last president I lost 2 jobs.... Oh and the economy went in the absolute tank...

Never understood why most pilots are die hard against Obama/ democrats? Seems the airline industry typically does better under democrats...

Bush I....gulf war, furloughs, no jobs, needed thousands of hours just to get into a puddle jumping regional.

Clinton..... Lots of mainline hiring, no furloughs?,

Bush II....need I say more?

Obama..... Slowly coming back..for me it's been outstanding.

I don't talk or care about politics, but just looking at recent 25 yr history tells me the airline industry works better with a democrat in office.... Just an observation

Did it occur to you that effects of policies generally lag about a term behind a president?

Example, assume a republican wins in 2016. Are you going to blame him for the horrendous detrimental effects of Obamacare, which will most likely be felt in full effect by then? On the other hand, in the unlikely event that Obamacare turns out to be a panacea, and THOSE effects are felt in 2017, does said republican candidate get the credit?

Oh, and let's not forget that in the Clinton years, he had a Republican Congress.

 

[Smarta$$]

Did it occur to you that effects of policies generally lag about a term behind a president?

Example, assume a republican wins in 2016. Are you going to blame him for the horrendous detrimental effects of Obamacare, which will most likely be felt in full effect by then? On the other hand, in the unlikely event that Obamacare turns out to be a panacea, and THOSE effects are felt in 2017, does said republican candidate get the credit?

Oh, and let's not forget that in the Clinton years, he had a Republican Congress.

Typical. Everything that happens good during a democrat president is left over republican policies. Everything that happens bad during a democrat president is is his fault... Balance dude, find even just a small amount.

 

[CapnVegetto]

Typical. Everything that happens good during a democrat president is left over republican policies. Everything that happens bad during a democrat president is is his fault... Balance dude, find even just a small amount.

Oh yeah, libs are REAL balanced. You're NEVER biased against repub ideas.

LOL keep the jokes comin man.

 

[clickclickboom]

I started reading this thread and thought that the initial responses were from someone that was truly brain dead... Then i realized that this thread was three years old.. AAAHHH the good ole days when our health care still sucked compared to our peers but at least you wouldnt go bankrupt if your kid needed an operation..

 

[Smarta$$]

Oh yeah, libs are REAL balanced. You're NEVER biased against repub ideas.

LOL keep the jokes comin man.

Of course libs are biased as well. But your basic premise that everything good that happens under a dem president is the after effect of the last republican is ridiculous.

 

[CapnVegetto]

Of course libs are biased as well. But your basic premise that everything good that happens under a dem president is the after effect of the last republican is ridiculous.

Why not? Obama does it. He's spent the last 6 years blaming Bush for literally everything short of the sky being blue.

 

[shamrock]

so from the regional airline I work for now?.my health costs will more than double? Okay, got it. Take a pay cut for two years-four if you count the difference in medical costs. Perfect. Those of you arguing national healthcare policy?..start a new thread please. Its an important issue, but not what this thread is for.

You resurrected a 3 year old thread to tell people to start a new thread?

Seriously?

 

[B6Driver]

Bush Sr. supporters never gave any of the praise to Clinton for either of his two terms.
Consistency in U.S. politics I guess is the only good thing we all can agree on.

 

[Smarta$$]

Why not? Obama does it. He's spent the last 6 years blaming Bush for literally everything short of the sky being blue.

So was he right or wrong to do that, and do you hold your party to the same standard or do you give them a free pass on this same issue?

And I thought you just said the after affects of a presidency are felt well into the next presidents term. So again, was Obama wrong to say this was left over bush? Or do you only use that argument when it is politically convenient for you?