Jet Blue benefits, healthcare cost?

[1.3XVso]

So was he right or wrong to do that, and do you hold your party to the same standard or do you give them a free pass on this same issue?

And I thought you just said the after affects of a presidency are felt well into the next presidents term. So again, was Obama wrong to say this was left over bush? Or do you only use that argument when it is politically convenient for you?

jetblue sucks

 

[BUDDHA145]

jetblue sucks

No sir your are wrong 1000000000% RAH sucks!!

 

[1.3XVso]

No sir your are wrong 1000000000% RAH sucks!!

Yes you are correct. Pinnacle sucks, rah sucks and for smartarse sake...jetblue sucks.

 

[CapnVegetto]

So was he right or wrong to do that, and do you hold your party to the same standard or do you give them a free pass on this same issue?

I would be really interested to see you answer your own question. If you answer yes, then you are basically condeming every piece of garbage that has spewed from Obozo's mouth the last 6 years, and pretty much every damn thing he said during the last election. If you answer no, then you are agreeing with me.

Politicians are all the same. They are all liars. As with most things in life, the truth is somewhere in the middle. Some stuff was Bush's fault, sure. But Obama wants you to think everything bad = Bush. The very few good things = him. Bull$hit. He's a liar.

I think Clinton was an excellent president. Why? Because, at least during his second term, he was able to reach across the aisle and WORK with the heavily republican congress to get things done. Obama is an arrogant jacka$$ that won't even entertain ideas from the other side. This is the difference. Is EVERYTHING the fault or credit of the last administration? No. That's ridiculous. But saying things like "things were great during the Clinton years JUST because of Clinton" is uninformed and disengenuous. Of course, that wasn't directed at you anyway, it was directed at the other guy.

And I thought you just said the after affects of a presidency are felt well into the next presidents term. So again, was Obama wrong to say this was left over bush? Or do you only use that argument when it is politically convenient for you?

I just explained my position in the first paragraph; but you never answered the question I posed in my first post. If Obamacare train wrecks the national healthcare system and/or the economy and there is an R POTUS in 2017, and he blames Obamacare, will you agree with him, or will you come back and say exactly what I'm saying about Obama now? Likewise, if Obamacare is a panacea, and he tries to take credit, is that wrong? I will tell you right now that I will say he is full of $hit. You know my position, the answer is somewhere in the middle. The point I'm trying to make is that Obama is incompetent and full of $hit, but that just makes him a normal politician.

 

[Smarta$$]

It's real simple, I have a problem with your response to bentover's post. You said "Did it occur to you that effects of policies generally lag about a term behind a president? ".

Then you criticize O for blaming Bush for the problems that began before he was elected, and certainly had long lasting effects. You can't have it BOTH ways. You can't in your response to bentover say that the good things in a dem presidency are from the last republican president, but then completely ignore the bad things that carry over into a dem presidency.

If the Affordable Care Act is good, then O should take some credit for it. If it is bad, then he should be blamed for it, just as he already is blamed for it.

 

[Splert]

The full affect of Medicare did not occur until the mid 1980 and is now the main driver of the explosion in non discretionary federal spending.

The media and the Donkeys blamed Reagan for the cutting taxes on the rich (oh and most of not all their deductions, specifically the passive income loss deductions) instead of Medicare Part B which is nearly entirely funded by general revenue ie income taxes.

 

[CapnVegetto]

The full affect of Medicare did not occur until the mid 1980 and is now the main driver of the explosion in non discretionary federal spending.

The media and the Donkeys blamed Reagan for the cutting taxes on the rich (oh and most of not all their deductions, specifically the passive income loss deductions) instead of Medicare Part B which is nearly entirely funded by general revenue ie income taxes.

Damn Splert. I don't agree with you much, but this is spot on.

 

[CapnVegetto]

It's real simple, I have a problem with your response to bentover's post. You said "Did it occur to you that effects of policies generally lag about a term behind a president? ".

Then you criticize O for blaming Bush for the problems that began before he was elected, and certainly had long lasting effects. You can't have it BOTH ways. You can't in your response to bentover say that the good things in a dem presidency are from the last republican president, but then completely ignore the bad things that carry over into a dem presidency.

If the Affordable Care Act is good, then O should take some credit for it. If it is bad, then he should be blamed for it, just as he already is blamed for it.

I was more making a point than anything, pointing out the flaw in his logic. Read the second paragraph of my other post again. But what I said is somewhat true whether you want it to be or not. I'll concede that Bush bares some of the blame, sure. But Bush didn't pass Obama's stimulus bills, Bush didn't pass Obamacare, and Bush has been gone for 6 years. Obama is an abysmal failure. Period.

 

[Blue Dude]

I was more making a point than anything, pointing out the flaw in his logic. Read the second paragraph of my other post again. But what I said is somewhat true whether you want it to be or not. I'll concede that Bush bares some of the blame, sure. But Bush didn't pass Obama's stimulus bills, Bush didn't pass Obamacare, and Bush has been gone for 6 years. Obama is an abysmal failure. Period.

Essentially, Obama took Bush's fiscal failings, called them virtues, and turned them up to eleven. And then wondered why those same ideas *still* didn't work.

 

[Turbosnake03]

jetblue sucks

where do you work ???

oh that's right Endeavor.... well then, that explains a lot...

 

[1.3XVso]

where do you work ???

oh that's right Endeavor.... well then, that explains a lot...

Where do you work? That place sucks too

 

[linepilot]

where do you work ???

oh that's right Endeavor.... well then, that explains a lot...

jetblew absolutely sucks and I've been here for 12 years.

Next

 

[BUDDHA145]

jetblew absolutely sucks and I've been here for 12 years.

Next

So if you can share! Are you trying to move on? or you going to see how the vote goes and see what happens?

 

[linepilot]

So if you can share! Are you trying to move on? or you going to see how the vote goes and see what happens?

A 50-something is unable to "move on." You will all be in the same place at some point. Hopefully it is with the right airline, with the right pilot group, and most of all, at the right TIME.

 

[crashtest]

YES! Alpa is the answer! From day one your life will improve, promise! Everyone will be happy. No limits on what you make, healthcare will be paid for by company. Maybe a crew meal from time to time, any days off you want and as many as you want. Yes sir, I can't wait. But you can't feel the euphoric if you, yes YOU do not vote YES. So Big Blue, let me hear ya, wear your alpa pins, joins hands, and yell to the mountain top, YES, YES we can. A award winning, industry leading, magazine will be included with your yes vote when the time comes!

 

[BeachBummer]

YES! Alpa is the answer! From day one your life will improve, promise! Everyone will be happy. No limits on what you make, healthcare will be paid for by company. Maybe a crew meal from time to time, any days off you want and as many as you want. Yes sir, I can't wait. But you can't feel the euphoric if you, yes YOU do not vote YES. So Big Blue, let me hear ya, wear your alpa pins, joins hands, and yell to the mountain top, YES, YES we can. A award winning, industry leading, magazine will be included with your yes vote when the time comes!

You forgot to add the caviat at the end of the commercial in super fast speak and ultra small font:

Results not typical, requires man hours of labor and hard work, failure to volunteer and be involved will cause undesirable affects, the company will fight you at every turn, you may experience physical abnormalities such as; nausea, vomiting sleeplessness, swelling in the ams feet ears and neck, redness of the eyes, bleeding from the ears nose mouth or rectum, hives, boils, internal bleeding, infection, and even death may occur.

Should any of these symptoms occur by all means continue with the DR, consult your local chief pilot or ELT member for guidance. If they are unavailable just ask your neighbor.

 

[linepilot]

YES! Alpa is the answer! From day one your life will improve, promise! Everyone will be happy. No limits on what you make, healthcare will be paid for by company. Maybe a crew meal from time to time, any days off you want and as many as you want. Yes sir, I can't wait. But you can't feel the euphoric if you, yes YOU do not vote YES. So Big Blue, let me hear ya, wear your alpa pins, joins hands, and yell to the mountain top, YES, YES we can. A award winning, industry leading, magazine will be included with your yes vote when the time comes!

We would still HAVE our health plan and a whole laundry list of take-aways under the "direct relationship" if we had simply locked it all in with a union years ago.

You're another useful idiot.

 

[B6Driver]

And you're holding onto the past like an old woman remembering her youth.
Are you going to help try to make things better for all or are you just going to continue to Bitch?
Simple question!

 

[pilotpayne]

And you're holding onto the past like an old woman remembering her youth.
Are you going to help try to make things better for all or are you just going to continue to Bitch?
Simple question!

You know the answer.
Been here 12 years and his life still sucks.
Must be hard near the top.

 

[BUDDHA145]

Results not typical, requires man hours of labor and hard work, failure to volunteer and be involved will cause undesirable affects, the company will fight you at every turn, you may experience physical abnormalities such as; nausea, vomiting sleeplessness, swelling in the ams feet ears and neck, redness of the eyes, bleeding from the ears nose mouth or rectum, hives, boils, internal bleeding, infection, and even death may occur.

Yep!! While ALPA collects their new blue dues laughing.... Not trying to discourage anyone but I hope you guys ready to decertify in 5 years and go solo!! ALPA ??