JBLUE 4th QTR Earnings

[firstthird]

I think that it has been discussed before that "Dave Siegel" of thecanyon blue avatar does not work for SWA. He appears to be aflame-baiter. So, please don't think he has a direct lineto Herb or Colleen or Gary, or that scheduling even has a direct lineto him for some JA action.

This board rocks, but maybe we need that big obnoxious caveat thatalways pops up on PPrune, "beware posters may not be who they appearand may even be members of the press or the exact opposite as theyportray themselves." something like that.

For instance, in real life I'm tall handsome and good-looking, but fromthis board you'd think I'm a geek loser with no life. Wait asecond, who said that?

 

[xrayojilp]

By the way, love the blue uniform shirts. I just saw one of your pilots in the lobby of the hotel.

Not to defend the blue kool-aid cult, but I remember when I first saw the southwest uniform and I thought what a dweebus dorkmeister pilot, with that funky tie, course I found out later that was the uniform! Oh and there is that whole plane color scheme, the only airline paint scheme worse than the new Southwest scheme is, well, the old Southwest scheme. Just be glad that you work for a great company. Ya'll ain't gonna win any fashion awards, lets just put it that way.

The real pimp daddies in this industry are UPS, BTW

 

[Diesel-9sRule]

You guys ruined another perfectly decent thread.

This has got to stop.

Chaz

Put the glass down and step away from the blue Kool Aid!

 

[GogglesPisano]

. And GogglesPisano, shut the fu(k up!

Sorry about hitting a raw nerve.

 

[canyonblue]

your glass house is held intact by the superior fuel hedging that is attributed to your management. this of course is temporary and hedging contracts EXPIRE!

Fuel hedging is not temporary, it is a continuous cycle. That Siegel poser is a fraud, and judging from your comment about hedges, I have doubts about your aviation experience.

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

Good observation!

Ok, Am I the only one who has figured out this guy does not work, nor will ever work, for Southwest. Don't fall for his crap. His avatar used to be a USAirways plane and he would stir up crap about that. Could the moderator please delete his posts. I doubt he is even a pilot. Probably Lowecur's son. And GogglesPisano, shut the fu(k up!

I was just about to point that out. He threw some mud on the B717 end-of-the-line thread, like he was some B737 expert. What a poser; he's a total tool. If he ever does make it over to SWA, I hope you guys give him a good tune-up!

If blue shirts are so bad, I guess you wouldn't have gone to work for FEDEX a few years ago either. Keep rockin' with your Microsoft Flight Simulator 2000!

Don't forget your GUMP checks!

 

[wndshr]

Fuel hedging is not temporary, it is a continuous cycle. That Siegel poser is a fraud, and judging from your comment about hedges, I have doubts about your aviation experience.

ok....you got me on symantics...you are right they are renewed in cycles, but you are crazy to think that hedging contracts will be renewed during the next set of cycles at the prices negotiated previously. that is what i meant by expire...

if swa is not taking a bath on fuel prices somebody is....and that somebody is not going to want to take another bath next round...you follow? but then again....if they (mgt) can pull it off, i bet none of them have Harvard MBA's after their name like the rest of the legacy "mgt" corps! just plain ol smarts!

sorry about spanking the siegel dude...thought he was a FNG

 

[zonker]

I used to wear a white shirt. With an ALPA pin on my tie, even.

But now.

.. the blue shirt is just awful. Every working morning I wake up, and think...why me?

It's just not fair!

 

[Dave Siegel]

I think that it has been discussed before that "Dave Siegel" of thecanyon blue avatar does not work for SWA. He appears to be aflame-baiter. So, please don't think he has a direct lineto Herb or Colleen or Gary, or that scheduling even has a direct lineto him for some JA action.

I never said I worked for Southwest. I said that I love Southwest Airlines and it's the only airline I believe is worth working for. I just hope when I get there, I don't ever have to fly with CanyonBlue. You people have no sense of humor, and Canyonblue loves to dish it out, but can't take it.

By the way, I wasn't talking about fuel hedging, I was talking about maintenace contracts. I'll keep this simple, and try to use small words, so that you can keep up.

Most airlines pay a monthy/yearly fee to a maintenance provider, like GE. The deal motivates GE to do the best job fixing your planes that the can. The fewer times the planes break, the better for GE. They get a flat fee, so their motivation is to do the very best job fixing your plane.

JetBlue doesn't have this agreement. Like I said before, since they have brand new planes, they set up a deal where they don't pay anything unless the plane breaks. Pretty good deal when you have a young fleet. Your CASM can be significantly lower than the competition because they pay fixed maintenance costs. Sound great for JB for the short term, but when the planes get older, and need more attention, their maintenance costs will wind up being SIGNIFICANTLY higher than the competition. For now, they have a cost advantage, but that advantange will disappear over the next few years.

So, for those of you who are offended, lighten up and pay attention to the points I'm making. If someone is a personal friend of canyonblue, tell him to lighten up before he gives himself an ulcer.

 

[Dave Siegel]

I was just about to point that out. He threw some mud on the B717 end-of-the-line thread, like he was some B737 expert.

I'll cut you a break, because you used to work for TWA and I had a great deal of respect for you, and because I think what AA did to you guys was completely wrong.

I was being SARCASTIC! I though airline pilots understood that, but it seems like people here are just too freaking sensitive.

 

[zonker]

I never said I worked for Southwest.

= I'm a dopey troll

Hey Dave...STFU.

You're the epitome of the word "tiresome".

 

[Dave Siegel]

= I'm a dopey troll

Maybe I am a dopey troll.

 

[zonker]

Maybe I am a dopey troll.

I'm sure you are.

 

[oldxfr8dog]

I never said I worked for Southwest. I just hope when I get there, I don't ever have to fly with CanyonBlue.

Don't trouble your teeny, little mind.
You'll NEVER get there.
They only hire top quality people, not some mud-slinging wannabe.

 

[Dave Siegel]

Don't trouble your teeny, little mind.
You'll NEVER get there.
They only hire top quality people, not some mud-slinging wannabe.

They hired Canyonblue, and I have way more quality than him. Hey Canyon, that STFU that you gave Goggles REALLY shows your lack of class--and you want ME banned--Just Remember, kids read this stuff from time to time, so keep it clean.

 

[Angus]

I think that it has been discussed before that "Dave Siegel" of thecanyon blue avatar does not work for SWA. He appears to be aflame-baiter. So, please don't think he has a direct lineto Herb or Colleen or Gary, or that scheduling even has a direct lineto him for some JA action.

Some of you people need to start taking Prozac.

Wouldn't it be quite ironic if in FACT the person calling himself "Dave Siegal" was a Southwest Captain..... simply having a little fun with the Jetblue Pilots on the internet here.

Wouldn't it be sad that a few Southwest Pilots (who are taking their internet experience a little too seriously) got caught up in this little banter, and showed what real little dweebs they can be.

This is a Jetblue thread isn't it. Aren't the Southwest Pilots on flightinfo supposed to be parading around getting their a$$ kissed on some other SWA thread elsewhere.... pretending to be the "big men on campus kings of aviation now".

Some of you Southwest FO's here have lost touch with reality, sarcasm, and humor. Its quite embarassing.

 

[1-tacan-rule]

Mx Contracts....

hey Dave, do you actually know what the terms of the mx contracts are at JB? Probably not.

Here's a lesson in how to run a business 101: If a company only pays for mx when a plane breaks..and the fleet is brand new, as opposed to paying a flat fee for fixing planes that aren't going to break because they are new....that's smart biz!


A few years later, as the planes get to be older and need more mx, then, the airline cuts contracts which are firm fixed price. I'm sure that is what jB will end up doing.

 

[Dave Siegel]

hey Dave, do you actually know what the terms of the mx contracts are at JB? Probably not.

DO YOU???? Probably not, but I think I have the general idea, and I haven't had any of the Blue People dispute it, so I must be on to something.

If a company only pays for mx when a plane breaks..and the fleet is brand new, as opposed to paying a flat fee for fixing planes that aren't going to break because they are new....that's smart biz!


A few years later, as the planes get to be older and need more mx, then, the airline cuts contracts which are firm fixed price. I'm sure that is what jB will end up doing.

In a few years, when the planes are older and need more maintenance, THEN JB will cut firm priced contracts...BUT, the rate they get will naturally be alot more expensive than what every other airline is paying. If you were on the maintenance side of this, where's your incentive to give JB a flat fee? Well, they may give JB a flat fee, but a flat fee on older airplanes that will break more is naturally going to come with a higher price tag than one started when the planes were brand new. Why do I have to keep explaining this? HELLO?!? McFly?? Is there ANYONE HOME???? THAT'S what I've been trying to say all along. What JB is doing is not "smart biz!", it's SHORT-SIGHTED.

hey Dave, Here's a lesson in how to run a business 101:

I hope you don't teach business 101: Obviously, you come from the Stephen Wolf school of business. It's all about the now, so don't think long term.

That's why I want to work for Southwest. They're ALWAYS thinking LONG-TERM. If I were 12 years old, I might be tempted to drink the Blue Kool-Aid that you're serving up, but I'm just a little to wise for that, son.

 

[IB6 UB9]

"That's why I want to work for Southwest. They're ALWAYS thinking LONG-TERM. If I were 12 years old, I might be tempted to drink the Blue Kool-Aid that you're serving up, but I'm just a little to wise for that, son."


Of all places to make a spelling mistake...back too school kid!

 

[V2+10]

Originally Posted by 1-tacan-rule:
hey Dave, do you actually know what the terms of the mx contracts are at JB? Probably not.



Reply by Dave Siegel:
DO YOU????

Wow that was an intelligent response Dave. Answering a question with a question. Not quite what I would have expected from a self proclaimed "Management Team" hopeful such as yourself.

V2

 

[1-tacan-rule]

Good luck at SWA, Dave.

 

[Race Pilot]

Too much time on your hands and nothing constructive to do with it

I haven't been on here in awhile and I just realized why, too many trolls!! Get a life guys and stop stirring up crap with half truths and full on lies caused by jealousy. Guess I'll go back to my Corvette racing sites, most everyone gets along there......except when a Viper or Porsche guy gets in of course. Can't wait for the new Z06!!!!!!!!!!! Bye

 

[Floatplane]

Seagull Droppings:

I never said there was anything wrong with the Airbus or that it's a poor product (even though the 737 is a better airplane, but that's another issue). What I said involved what will happen to Jet Blue's maintenance costs as the airplanes start to show their age. Power by the hour is JB's method of playing with the numbers to artificially lower maintenance costs, but it's only a short term solution. Power by the hour helps your CASM now, but let's see what happens when your planes start needing additional TLC (that's tender loving care, something you obviously lacked as a child). Your CASM is going to increase as a direct result of the dramatic increase in maintenance costs.

Does that JB "cool-aid" that you've been drinking look like windshield wiper fluid? Don't drink it! That stuff only helps you see the big picture when you use it on your window.

Have you ever looked in the mirror? Those blue shirts are UGLY! Please tell me that you change your shirt when you get to the car! So, nobody has asked you to check their bags when you're in the hotel lobby? I'm shocked.



It's "whether". If you're so worried about providing for you family, maybe your wife should go back to work. Wait, I was assuming she was smart, but since she married you that might be a wrong assumption.

I'am? Look, it's "I am" or "I'm". You did it twice, Papa Smurf, so it's probably not a typo. No, I think it's time for YOU to go back to class.

Dave, I have to disagree with you. You did infer that the Airbus is a poor product when you called it a "Scairbus". If not, please explain exactly what you did mean by that.

Dave, do not think that your the first person to realize that the CASM will go up as maintaince costs do. It is built into JB's business plan. Infact it is something that has been addressed many times on this forum and internally as well.

Dave, concerning my drinking of the JB "cool aid", as you call it, I would love it if you could elaborate further. I have never on this or any other forum espoused any arrogant expectations, opinions, or attitudes concerning jetblue or any other airline. I do not think you can say the same. I have a realistic view of both the airline business in general, and a very realistic view of jetBlue. Please, don't be too concerned about how clearly I can see the big picture.

Dave, as far as the shirts go, I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. I really could care less what color my uniform shirt is.

Dave, your right! It is "whether" and it is "I am or I'm". I was a little tired when I wrote the original message and did not have the time to proof read it. So there you go, your right and I am wrong.

Dave, I only have one other question for you. Do you think it makes you look more intelligent or more credible when you attack someone's wife or are you just jelious because you cannot get one for yourself?

Good luck with your dreams of Southwest!

Cheers!