JB pilots just got a facial from mgmt.

[clickclickboom]

You are naive to think that there was only one pilot or crewmember commuting to and from MCO. There were several more angry than me to sit on a taxiway not once, but twice for over thirty minutes during a two week period as this pilot carried out his agenda. There's a difference between taxiing slow and NOT taxiing at all when we arrived down station which clearly had several open gates. When I approached this Captain, I asked him if he wrote up his dragging brakes. He told me where to go and I left it like that. He also approached me and made some smart remarks in the crew room that I pretty much ignored, but could have taken it further if I really cared.

Never mind what it costs the company in vouchers everytime you taxi in 30 minutes late after arrival time. Never mind that pilots and crewmembers were late for their show times up in JFK. Maybe it was the FO I was with who reported him because he was 1 hour late for his show time and had to explain it to his Captain and CP. Good for him. Maybe it was a flight attendant. Good for them too. Never mind that this was already being tracked by the CPO because ACARS does not lie. Never mind his FOs were the ones who appologized to the MCO commuters for his Captain's actions. How else would we know he asked for longer taxi routes (ie RWY 18L at MCO vs. 17R departures or landing 31L JFK vs. 31R? Never mind this pilot you so dearly like is on just about every FO's no fly list which pretty much tells me you are a tool yourself.

Spectre cant argue with that detailed response and if that is how it happened that is not right...

Spectre 1 - Click 0

 

[a320drivr]

That is not how it happened and you know it. And he is not on everybodys no fly list.

 

[Sailpilot]

Based on our pay, benefits, and deteriorating pairings (less productive for us, less commutable), we're nothing more than a regional airline that happens to fly 100/150 seat jets.

JBPA,

Don't give us that much credit... I had a much better QOL and work rules at my RJ airline. Did you get your email today, they just changed something else on a whim.

 

[cbeyw]

You can go back to your RJ Airline any day you wish. Please close the door on your way out.

 

[cgmason1]

You can go back to your RJ Airline any day you wish. Please close the door on your way out.

He is right.

There is more than 1 regional airline that has better work work rules, benefits (ie med insurance), pay as a percentage of seats, retirement and more.

Did you read the PCRB report.

 

[olympus593]

You can go back to your RJ Airline any day you wish. Please close the door on your way out.

As compare to you 190 RJ?

 

[elag777]

As compare to you 190 RJ?

A general observation would reveal all those of you that think B6 sucks have the ability to change your destiny by choosing to go else where and do other things no?

 

[olympus593]

A general observation would reveal all those of you that think B6 sucks have the ability to change your destiny by choosing to go else where and do other things no?

Never said B6 sucks but before some jetblue guy's start bashing RJ maybe he should look in it's own backyard? 190, 100 seat more or less, RJ pay (less 7$/H for first pay) what do you think?

 

[elag777]

Never said B6 sucks but before some jetblue guy's start bashing RJ maybe he should look in it's own backyard? 190, 100 seat more or less, RJ pay (less 7$/H for first pay) what do you think?

I think I have no clue what you are trying to say, read what you just typed and help me out!

 

[olympus593]

You lost me.

 

[elag777]

You lost me.

your post makes no sense in English!

 

[olympus593]

May be i had to much to drink good night cheer!!!

 

[DH2WN]

JB just took care of it's poorest pilots. What a concept that is usually lost on senior captains at any airline.

 

[Dizel8]

JB just took care of it's poorest pilots. What a concept that is usually lost on senior captains at any airline.

They also lowered first year pay for potential new hires. How does that figure in to the concept?

 

[JBPA]

A general observation would reveal all those of you that think B6 sucks have the ability to change your destiny by choosing to go else where and do other things no?

Ah, the classic sixth-grade ridiculous riposte: "If you don't like it here why don't you leave?" And poorly written to boot (ESL?).
So, what did you think about that PCRB Report? How about the company response? No one implied that the company sucked, just that we are devolving into a regional-esque airline. I guess if you came from Mesa, and we have many who did, you'd think this place is Shangri-la.

DH2WN: I have NO problem with the -190 folks getting raises. None. If you actually worked here though and witnessed the mechanisms used to compensate them you'd likely be upset if you were at my seniority (read: paycut, or rob Peter to pay Paul).

Management knew exactly what they were doing a few years ago when they imposed the embarrassing -190 pay rates. Three/four years later they are reaping the rewards of pitting the seats against each other and the perceived 'Haves' vs. the 'Have Nots'. Let's hope our seemingly apathetic pilot group doesn't once again validate
Elag777's tagline.

 

[elag777]

JBPA
All I am trying to articulate is that in this $140 dollar environment B6 pilots were lucky to be offered anything? The 190 rates were indeed in need of being increased and they have been twice now.
It would appear that the expansion plan, if there is going to be any at all, will be more on the 190 side, giving the option to the 320 FO group to reconsider an equipment change to the 190 left seat? I think the 320 raise through year 5 is to mitigate the significantly longer RSV times? All this maybe moot if oil continues to rise and plant itself north of $150p/b. Each penny increase at the pump is a costly $5mil to the bottom line adding well over $300mil to the B6 fuel bill this year so far.(I know you know this)
It would obviously have pleased more people if mgmt had said “sorry we feel your pain, but we have no more money to give you!” and I’m sure that would have gone down like a lead balloon? It appears that you can’t even please some of the people some of the time, let alone all of the people all of the time….
I hope the English is of better quality this time

 

[DH2WN]

They also lowered first year pay for potential new hires. How does that figure in to the concept?

"potential" are not employees and most likely they won't be having any "potential" first year people for a while. Therefore, again, JB just took care of it's poorest pilots.

I guess that's one good reason to not have a "union". You would not see such measures at any other airline.

Bravo JB.

 

[Flybet3]

I got 1 percent. Whoo Hoo!!!!!!!!

would you prefer that or a 100% pay cut A.K.A furlough?

 

[JBPA]

JBPA
All I am trying to articulate is that in this $140 dollar environment B6 pilots were lucky to be offered anything? The 190 rates were indeed in need of being increased and they have been twice now.
It would appear that the expansion plan, if there is going to be any at all, will be more on the 190 side, giving the option to the 320 FO group to reconsider an equipment change to the 190 left seat? I think the 320 raise through year 5 is to mitigate the significantly longer RSV times? All this maybe moot if oil continues to rise and plant itself north of $150p/b. Each penny increase at the pump is a costly $5mil to the bottom line adding well over $300mil to the B6 fuel bill this year so far.(I know you know this)
It would obviously have pleased more people if mgmt had said “sorry we feel your pain, but we have no more money to give you!” and I’m sure that would have gone down like a lead balloon? It appears that you can’t even please some of the people some of the time, let alone all of the people all of the time….
I hope the English is of better quality this time

Yeah, the English is better. Welcome to the 7th grade. I'm not following why you end every statement with a question mark though. Are you one of those 15-year old girls who end every sentence as if it were a question? I'm only picking on you and your lamentable grammar because you gave olympus grief over his.

Yes, I'm familiar with your points. Management has sufficiently regurgitated them on hellojetblue and through the corporate communications spam emails.

This all started because I asserted that, considering pay/bene's/schedules, we're not unlike a regional airline that flies bigger equipment. I stand by my assertion.

I could've sworn that you responded with a derivative of: "Leave if it's so bad". I was supposed to infer that you intended the above rhetoric?

You do understand that the 'raises' did not change our CASM and were the direct result of reserve efficiencies (probably not a bad thing - I think) and the discontinuation of PTS premium pay (DEFINITELY a bad thing), right?

I'm happy the -190 folks got a small increase to their hourly rates. However, I'm not happy that I (we) happen to be subsidizing those increases if I (we) get sick. While I personally wasn't expecting anything (including a pay cut), I was woefully disappointed with JR's/VS's blatant neglect in addressing many of the salient points of the PCRB Report. At least their delivery wasn't condescending [sarcasm].

I'm done with this thread. Feel free to bring this up at http://www.jetbluepilots.org and I'd be happy to debate you there.

 

[elag777]

Yeah, the English is better. Welcome to the 7th grade. I'm not following why you end every statement with a question mark though. Are you one of those 15-year old girls who end every sentence as if it were a question? I'm only picking on you and your lamentable grammar because you gave olympus grief over his.

Yes, I'm familiar with your points. Management has sufficiently regurgitated them on hellojetblue and through the corporate communications spam emails.

This all started because I asserted that, considering pay/bene's/schedules, we're not unlike a regional airline that flies bigger equipment. I stand by my assertion.

I could've sworn that you responded with a derivative of: "Leave if it's so bad". I was supposed to infer that you intended the above rhetoric?

You do understand that the 'raises' did not change our CASM and were the direct result of reserve efficiencies (probably not a bad thing - I think) and the discontinuation of PTS premium pay (DEFINITELY a bad thing), right?

I'm happy the -190 folks got a small increase to their hourly rates. However, I'm not happy that I (we) happen to be subsidizing those increases if I (we) get sick. While I personally wasn't expecting anything (including a pay cut), I was woefully disappointed with JR's/VS's blatant neglect in addressing many of the salient points of the PCRB Report. At least their delivery wasn't condescending [sarcasm].

I'm done with this thread. Feel free to bring this up at http://www.jetbluepilots.org and I'd be happy to debate you there.

Wow you "outed" me as a 15 yr old girl! (guess you must have alot of experience there! ) do I really end my sentences with a question?
PTS loss at premium is a product of abuse as you well know.
As to your last point not likely, and I am glad you are done with this thread! really are you?!

 

[Sailpilot]

You can go back to your RJ Airline any day you wish. Please close the door on your way out.

I already work there... as I see you do as well, 190RJ boy. Don't kid yourself.

 

[CaptainSpaz]

Wow you "outed" me as a 15 yr old girl! (guess you must have alot of experience there! ) do I really end my sentences with a question?
PTS loss at premium is a product of abuse as you well know.
As to your last point not likely, and I am glad you are done with this thread! really are you?!

Seriously, got Kool-Aid?

While that is certainly true about PTS abuse, it sure as he11 doesn't justify the action. The proper solution, and right thing to do, would have been to raise PTO to premium pay.

 

[elag777]

Seriously, got Kool-Aid?

While that is certainly true about PTS abuse, it sure as he11 doesn't justify the action. The proper solution, and right thing to do, would have been to raise PTO to premium pay.

May be so....enough with the kool-aid francis!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

A general observation would reveal all those of you that think B6 sucks have the ability to change your destiny by choosing to go else where and do other things no?

No.

Men and Women, custodians of democracy, work to effect positive change. They don't tuck tail and leave because its difficult.

Adams, Washington, Franklin, Jefferson, et all.. didn't leave... they looked to themselves and instituted self rule....

You should try it sometime... freedom, liberty, responsibility.... it is very American... not necessaritly in vouge right now, but American none the less...

JBPA (all the pilots...).... keep it up!!

 

[elag777]

No.

Men and Women, custodians of democracy, work to effect positive change. They don't tuck tail and leave because its difficult.

Adams, Washington, Franklin, Jefferson, et all.. didn't leave... they looked to themselves and instituted self rule....

You should try it sometime... freedom, liberty, responsibility.... it is very American... not necessaritly in vouge right now, but American none the less...

JBPA (all the pilots...).... keep it up!!

Yeah full pay till the last day Yeah!!!!