JB pilots file with NMB

[JoeMerchant]

By your logic- you don't think SWA is at a disadvantage by paying their pilots so much more than every other pax airline? The "regionals" should teach us-- you'll never make a low enough amount. Pilot's get paid where they take a stand.

SWA will be at a cost disadvantage...But the big cost advantage they had for so many years was not having the pension plans that the legacy carriers had.....Their union was thinking long term....They worked with management to become better than the competition....

Not all unions are created equal......

 

[Splert]

SWA will be at a cost disadvantage...

Then why is SWA Pilot CASM one of the lowest in the industry. Utilization, maybe???

 

[JoeMerchant]

Then why is SWA Pilot CASM one of the lowest in the industry. Utilization, maybe???

That is because they don't operate a "hub and spoke" system....That does give them an advantage...

By their very nature, hub and spoke systems result in less utilization....

 

[Scape112]

I'm all for it. Then furlough 300 as soon as we can so I can get a better bid divisor... The first DB letter was comical maybe, but he also wrote a second one the very same day that included this language:

A union’s promises of job security, protection and growth are very seductive. I recognize the desire to secure your future, and to support someone when they make these promises. But no one can guarantee anything. I can only guarantee that we will continue to make the sometimes tough and always necessary decisions to protect JetBlue and position our company for success. DB


I would say once a union is on the property, our JBPA will negotiate great benefit and pay raises but in return (a negotiation) will give up our "no furlough clause". Goodbye 300 pilots (this is how much we're overstaffed) and oh by the way, how many captains will be displaced? Think of those numbers boys and girls when you vote. This vote will do nothing but split up the pilot core, many of whom do not support this move at this time in our economy...

I hope to god you are Joking about getting rid of 300 pilots. You want this just so you can go back to having 1-2 more days of and a little more money. The last time I checked, half the purpose of a union is to have a strong united pilot group with one voice. That being said, how can you want all of us to bring a union on property and then kick 2-300 to the street. That seems so ass backwards to me. I will fully admit I would be one of those 300 and I understand that being new in a company you deal with it sometimes. But I wouldn't be at all surprised if you were at one of those guys at a legacy carrier once upon a time and got the boot (which sucks) and then you had nowhere else to go and figured you would "give JB a shot for now" since there was nowhere else to go. Now that your senior here you don't remember or care? If you were not one of these guys then thats great you never had to deal with it.

I do believe we should be paid more and that our benefits need to improve, especially health care. I know a lot of guys are bitter and rightly so for the way management at other airlines have treated them in the past. I was displaced, and almost furloughed before. I was 10 from the bottom, and I watched all my friends get furloughed. It sucked for them, many of us did not pick up a minute of open time until they were all called back. Do you really feel that we should get rid of the bottom chuck of the list? Or do you think its better that they company is trying to do the right thing and keep every pilot bringing home a paycheck?

This really does not have anything to do with a union, i just can't believe everyone is still all about themselves still. That is part of the reason the industry is the way it is today.

 

[bluesideup340]

Looks like we have a no voter on JBPA....


Finally, and most importantly representation is not about unionism and saving jobs, it is about representation. The fundamental right to representation. Either you understand it as an American or not.....

I appreciate your dedication to the cause, but to debate on this low level of you either understand it or not as an American undermines your augment.
Yes, it is a free country and we should have a debate on substance not on name calling.
Give us more details on JBPA.
What do they stand for? How does JBPA intent to engage management in finding solutions while working on realistic goals to improve our lives? What type of negotiation philosophy will JBPA pursue? Where do the professional Negotiators for JBPA come form, internal or external? What and who has a say in defining realistic goals and expectations for the entire group all Pilots? What is the long-term goal of the association in terms of pay, benefit, and work rule? How about check and balances? How about a no furlough comittment by the Union, is JBPA willing to protect jobs at the bottom end of the seniority even if this means less overtime for rank of the list?

 

[Blue Dude]

Hey, here's a novel approach, why don't you ask them: http://www.jetbluepilots.org/

 

[Dave's kid]

This thing isn't the slam dunk that some will lead you to believe.

Count me in as another one who will not vote.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

This thing isn't the slam dunk that some will lead you to believe.

Count me in as another one who will not vote.

I don't think the jB pilots think this is a slam dunk.... They just want representation. They want to have a voice in their airline and careers.

jB pilots are pretty smart guys....

SWA, who is taking lots of jB pilots, has a management team that understands representation. Historically, they treat unions as partners in the success of the airline....


So you won't vote or you'll vote no? What is your seniority? Top 5%?

 

[J32driver]

This thing isn't the slam dunk that some will lead you to believe.

Count me in as another one who will not vote.

What seat and seniority? And... Why the "No" vote before you've even heard what both sides have to say?

 

[A350]

I made up my mind about representation the minute I heard a pro union supporter tell a crew room full of pilots that he would rather have a union so they could furlough the bottom 300 and he could keep his high bid divisors.....than to keep the divisor low and keep everyone on the property.

Make up your own mind for sure, but if that statement wasn't divisive, nothing is.

A350

 

[Dave's kid]

What seat and seniority? And... Why the "No" vote before you've even heard what both sides have to say?

I've heard what the JBPA supporters have to say and have decided that they have nothing to offer me. In fact, I believe that JBPA will do more damage than it will do good. So I'm voting NO by not voting.

 

[linepilot]

I made up my mind about representation the minute I heard a pro union supporter tell a crew room full of pilots that he would rather have a union so they could furlough the bottom 300 and he could keep his high bid divisors.....than to keep the divisor low and keep everyone on the property.

Make up your own mind for sure, but if that statement wasn't divisive, nothing is.

A350

Jerry Glass?
Is that you?

 

[linepilot]

I've heard what the JBPA supporters have to say and have decided that they have nothing to offer me. In fact, I believe that JBPA will do more damage than it will do good. So I'm voting NO by not voting.

Vinny!!

How have you been?

 

[A350]

Linepilot:

It's great you found a home you like, but you will always be a brother in the profession. Its too bad that you won't consider us your brother until we vote in a union.

Jerry Glass? Surely you can come up with something better that that!

Typical....if you can't debate facts, resort to associating me with a mangement guy who whipped ALPA handily at the negotiating table.

A350

 

[FADEC]

4th year E190 CA here. I will be voting YES.