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[Splert]

I never said just fix everything but bidding.

Never implied it either. Not minimizing it either. I just understand that Jetblue would rather just fix bidding and JUST bidding.

If you thought I was minimizing it maybe you should have asked and I would say no.

Also I'm not senior.

0 for 3. You are out!!

 

[BeachBummer]

My problem is with splert. And yes, he is minimizing (incorrectly) how much of an impact bidding has on a large proportion of our pilots. And yes, I agree allocation and distribution needs to be addressed as well.

As usual, I think your wrong... But opinions are like waste sphincters... Every ones got one.

I'm pretty sure your over reacting and that wasn't what he implied. You sound like a whiny liberal hatin on the rich because they caused your problems...

It'll get fixed buddy. Don't sweat it.

 

[Splert]

Smarta$$ posted:

"majority of pilots"

"minimizing (incorrectly) how much of an impact bidding has on a large proportion"

"bidding DOES help a LOT of pilots"

Fixing bidding does non of this since the company allocates 1/2 to 1/4 the allocation of our peers and then distributes this severely reduced amount in such a manner that we get 1/4 the peak vacation slots available of our peers.

Jetblue wants everyone to focus on the zero cost solution - Bidding!

Moths to the flame and Smartpuck is leading the way. Gooooooooo to the flame ... I say stay away but the internet f bomb dropper says fly faster.

Oh well!

Zap!

 

[Smarta$$]

Smarta$$ posted:

"majority of pilots"

"minimizing (incorrectly) how much of an impact bidding has on a large proportion"

"bidding DOES help a LOT of pilots"

Fixing bidding does non of this since the company allocates 1/2 to 1/4 the allocation of our peers and then distributes this severely reduced amount in such a manner that we get 1/4 the peak vacation slots available of our peers.

Jetblue wants everyone to focus on the zero cost solution - Bidding!

Moths to the flame and Smartpuck is leading the way. Gooooooooo to the flame ... I say stay away but the internet f bomb dropper says fly faster.

Oh well!

Zap!

1. I said fix distribution and allocation as well.

2. If you only fix distribution and allocation, and not bidding, those additional premium weeks will just be sucked up by the top anyway. Some of the less desirable premium weeks may trickle down a little farther, but not nearly as far down the list as our peers with vacation bidding rounds.

 

[Splert]

Yep ...

That is what I have been advocating and recommended to the WRC via the formal request process.

What have you done? Drop F and A bombs on FI.com. Yeah for you!

 

[Smarta$$]

Yep ...

That is what I have been advocating and recommended to the WRC via the formal request process.

What have you done? Drop F and A bombs on FI.com. Yeah for you!

So you say on the internet.

 

[Splert]

You are now 0 for 4 but you keep swinging.

Sooner or later you should change your screen name from "Smart" to "Suck" A$$

Here is a clue. There about 10 posters on this forum who know who I am.

Not one of them have grabbed a vine to say he is indeed senior or he certainly did not submit all vacation fixes to the WRC.

Keep swinging though. You are good at missing.

 

[B6Driver]

Guy, please give it a rest.

 

[ChuckDriver]

Just for arguments sake, lets look at this example. Company X offers 1000 weeks vacation, with no limit to weeks bid by the pilot group. Lets say each pilot has enough PTO to bid for 5 weeks. Doing the math ony the top 200 will get vacation. Now lets limit the bidding to 2 weeks and 500 of our brothers get vacation!

Whats so wrong with this way of doing it? You senior guys dont want to share or what?

 

[linepilot]

Vacation?

Really?

This is why the lambs at jetblew will always be sucking hind t!t behind the real pilots in the industry.

They'll always be happy with scraps (union or no union) because that's the kind of people they are.

 

[B6Driver]

So bitterness is your plan now?

 

[Splert]

Company X has 1000 pilots so does company Y

At Company Y they have:
250 have between 1 - 4 years longevity
250 have between 5 and 9 years
250 have greater than 10-14 years
250 have greater than 15 years

Company Y has a allocation formula where

2 weeks for pilots between 1 - 4 years longevity
3 weeks for pilots between 5 and 9 years
4 weeks for pilots between 10 -1 4 years
5 weeks for pilots greater than 15 years

Company Y ALLOCATES: 3500 vacation weeks over 52 weeks of the year.

Company Y also distributes a MINIMUM of 8% of the Annual ALLOCATION in June, July, August, November and Dec. This translates to 280 vacation slots in these months.

Company X however has the same number of pilot with the same longevity and only allocates 1000 weeks (2 weeks per pilot) over 48 weeks of the year and distributes 30 vacation weeks per month (3%) in June, July, Aug, Nov and December and 250 weeks each month in Sept and October.

Company X is jetblue.

Company Y is the agreed to peer set.

Yeah lets blame pilots (senior pilots) and only fix bidding.

 

[Vingus]

Company X has 1000 pilots so does company Y

At Company Y they have:
250 have between 1 - 4 years longevity
250 have between 5 and 9 years
250 have greater than 10-14 years
250 have greater than 15 years

Company Y has a allocation formula where

2 weeks for pilots between 1 - 4 years longevity
3 weeks for pilots between 5 and 9 years
4 weeks for pilots between 10 -1 4 years
5 weeks for pilots greater than 15 years

Company Y ALLOCATES: 3500 vacation weeks over 52 weeks of the year.

Company Y also distributes a MINIMUM of 8% of the Annual ALLOCATION in June, July, August, November and Dec. This translates to 280 vacation slots in these months.

Company X however has the same number of pilot with the same longevity and only allocates 1000 weeks (2 weeks per pilot) over 48 weeks of the year and distributes 30 vacation weeks per month (3%) in June, July, Aug, Nov and December and 250 weeks each month in Sept and October.

Company X is jetblue.

Company Y is the agreed to peer set.

Yeah lets blame pilots (senior pilots) and only fix bidding.

I don't know why I'm going to engage but.....

No one has said just fix bidding. It all needs fixing. Give it a rest.

 

[Splert]

Am I reading ChuckDriver at #54 incorrectly?

Just for arguments sake, lets look at this example. Company X offers 1000 weeks vacation, with no limit to weeks bid by the pilot group. Lets say each pilot has enough PTO to bid for 5 weeks. Doing the math ony the top 200 will get vacation. Now lets limit the bidding to 2 weeks and 500 of our brothers get vacation!

Whats so wrong with this way of doing it? You senior guys dont want to share or what?

 

[BeachBummer]

#^?? it...
I'm voting no. And I don't want vacation fixed. Screw the junior guy. I got mine. I'm going to bid FO forever so I'm super senior for the next 30 years!

Ugh... Really. Senior vs junior now?

If your junior on the list suck it up. Think your gonna get 4th of July off your second year at Delta? AA? united? No, your not.

Smarta$$ just likes to hear himself type for sake of argument.

Chuck wagon, don't make stupid statements...