I've discovered who the General is!

[PCL_128]

You logged a lot of time in those godforsaken replacement jets, didn't you?

Yep, and advocated for stronger scope at the mainline carriers the whole time. I think you remember that.

 

[Caspian27]

I didn't "talk down" to any regional pilots. I want all of you on the mainline seniority lists. The regional pilots aren't the problem, the system of outsourcing is.

Well, I agree with you there. It would be nice to have all the flying for one airline done by one list.

I just don't see how that's ever going to happen with pilots throwing each other under the bus in SLI's.

 

[pipejockey]

Well, I agree with you there. It would be nice to have all the flying for one airline done by one list.

I just don't see how that's ever going to happen with pilots throwing each other under the bus in SLI's.

Well they do in Canada, so why can't they do it here?? I'll tell you part of the reason. Because all the military cronies at mainline will not tolerate their military buddies separating, having to fly an rj for a while....oh the humanity!!!

 

[BigMeat]

Those jets are what got you to Citrus. But I guess it's cool to talk down about us regional guys now that you've "moved up."

Ah, I never flew a shiny jet before I came to CAL. Lots of Airtran guys have no jet time.

 

[Just thinking]

I don't know...those baby DC9's they fly over at Air Tran aren't that much more economical than an RJ. If we got rid of all those RJ's and 717's, then maybe ATL could be a nice airport...

Put down the crap pipe and step away from the keyboard. Saturation of the airspace is caused by the frequency of the scheduled flights. The legacies, in their effort to hold on to market share, increase the frequency of the flights but do it with RJ's. They do this at a loss in the hopes that they will outlast others and then once they have regained their controlling interest they will increase the cost and cut the RJ flying. Who is the first ones to be cancelled when there are delays? It is not a majority of the legacy flights but the "partners" flying the RJ's that are cancelled. Look at the DOT on time reports. Big plane or little plane, the same separation is required. I am not saying that flying the RJ is less challenging (probably more so with the ab-initio programs.) I am not saying that the aircraft are not technologically advanced. I am saying that they are doing what they were never designed to do in the first place. SCOPE has affected everyone's carreer up and down the chain.
The RJ traffic jumped through the roof after DAL closed DFW base in ATL. The 717's do not park four to a gate. The 717's have business class seating. The 717's have overhead bins that can accomodate standard bags. The 717's have a much better economy of scale. So what if you can cram in 50-70-90 people into a stretched business jet and fly it 3 hours. You then have to wait for 25 minutes for all of the carry-ons to be brought to the jet bridge to reclaim.
Heavy landing fees (with rebates provided to aircraft with more seats) is the best way to force the COMPANIES to stop flooding the airports with RJ traffic with excessive stage length. Makes sure they are maximizing thier investment and time when scheduling into the HDTA's.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

The 717's do not park four to a gate. The 717's have business class seating. The 717's have overhead bins that can accomodate standard bags. The 717's have a much better economy of scale. So what if you can cram in 50-70-90 people into a stretched business jet and fly it 3 hours. You then have to wait for 25 minutes for all of the carry-ons to be brought to the jet bridge to reclaim.

Which is why we should get rid of the CRJ all together and have an all Embraer fleet capable of flying 70-100 passengers and mainline buys the airplaes and hires the regional pilots (DOH) and gets rid of all the "regional" carriers. Wishful thinking!

Nothing like dh home on a crj700/900 and then waiting 25+ mins to wait for bags to be brought up. Oh and having a wheelchair block 1 side of the jetbridge while 50-70+ passegers are standing on the other side. Smoooooooooooooooooth operation Skywest

 

[N2264J]

Yep, and advocated for stronger scope at the mainline carriers the whole time.

Well that's mighty white of ya, but in the scheme of things, totally irrelevant.

Those godforsaken replacement jets represent the livelihood for a lot of people and their families including your former ALPA constituents at Pinnacle.

I think the jury is in: you're a shameless opportunist and bloviating Flightinfo wang.

 

[realmanofgenius]

I think the RJ issue came about after the Eagle ATR crash in '89 (year correct) the airline Passengers Association cam out and said props planes are unsafe. the Marketing geniuses went to work... Let's put an insert into the 601 airframe.

fast forward... flying turboprops in the 90's I heard many airports served by Piedmont had 73s flying in and out even half full. Not a problem.

we've come full circle... one narrow body full cuts one RJ departure out. Multiply it by 3000 and you have uncrowded skies. raise the price, cut supply and make money... problem solved.

 

[PCL_128]

Those godforsaken replacement jets represent the livelihood for a lot of people and their families including your former ALPA constituents at Pinnacle.

Which is exactly why I want them on the mainline list with an end to all outsourcing.

I think the jury is in: you're a shameless opportunist and bloviating Flightinfo wang.

Opportunist? This coming from an RJDC wanker? Nothing screams "opportunist" like an RJDC supporter.

 

[Raskal]

... Also, the FAA should give preference to ALL airlines over bizjets if it is an airport with a certain amount of 121 flights per day. If a bizjet is delayed it only affects a few people where a 121 carrier gets massive downline problems.
121 flights should be allowed to be kept to their arrival and departure times first. The bizjets do not come close to paying the amount of support fees that airlines do so airlines should get preference...

That would be extremely funny if it weren't so homeless-guy-on-crack-and-xanax DELUSIONAL! Like you, I'm at a 121 carrier, but let's get a bit more realistic:

The people who ride in those bizjets (who consequently paid considerably more than even the most expensive ticket on one of our aircraft) are the ones who MAKE the rules. Asking for airline priority is like asking Bush/Cheney to raise taxes on big oil.

Also, what side of the industry has now set a new record for new aircraft orders for six years running? Hint-it isn't airlines.

Bizjets aren't a problem, frankly, I'd much rather taxi behind a Falcon than anything at a legacy-at least I know I'll get to the gate/runway faster than a multiple stroke victim astride a wheelchair with a dead battery. And I can name a couple of carriers that still don't know "without delay" means exactly that. Bizjets are in a hurry, we aren't.

Volume into hub airports all at the same time of day is the problem, RJ's, 777's-whatever. Ticket prices are the problem. Our continually declining pay is the problem. Maybe we should address all of the problems of our own making before we start tossing blame around to other aspects of aviation.

Oh, that's right, the last time I was number 43 for T/O at LGA it was all the gulfstreams in front of me...

:beer: Just givin' ya a hard time....

 

[jetracer5]

Those jets are what got you to Citrus. But I guess it's cool to talk down about us regional guys now that you've "moved up."

Airtran is nothing more then a regional with 30 more seats per plane. I dont concider it a mainline carrier.

 

[elag777]

Newsday: . If I were in charge, I'd say we're not going to let the low-cost airlines fly into the major airports. I wouldn't let JetBlue into Kennedy or LaGuardia.

Newsday: That sounds drastic?
General Lee (Bob Crandall): It's not. If you want to be a low-cost carrier, by all means go and be a low-cost carrier. But you can't fly into the major airports. The Europeans have been doing this for years. The low-cost carriers could go to outlying areas.

Newsday Guy: But you Major guys weren't interested in Kennedy until JetBlue started operating out of there right?
(Bob Crandall) : Who said I have had an original idea in my life! I just steal other peoples' ideas and then claim them as my own! imp:

 

[PCL_128]

Airtran is nothing more then a regional with 30 more seats per plane. I dont concider it a mainline carrier.

Yeah, keep telling yourself that.

 

[pipe]

Well, I agree with you there. It would be nice to have all the flying for one airline done by one list.

I just don't see how that's ever going to happen with pilots throwing each other under the bus in SLI's.

SLI with a regional is simple - you add them to the bottom - that's where they are now. If you like, maybe you could integrate the list by hourly rate which would give the most senior RJ captains a little movement into the mainline list. If you want to go the career expectations route that works too. An RJ capt has reached his career expectation at the regional so he stays exactly where he is.

PIPE

 

[N2264J]

Which is exactly why I want them on the mainline list with an end to all outsourcing.

Then, you support Comair and ASA filing the PID in 2000? It's hard to tell when you characterize the effort only as a "seniority grab" (a lie widely disseminated
by - oh, you know).

Opportunist? This coming from an RJDC wanker? Nothing screams "opportunist" like an RJDC supporter.

So how are you going to avoid an apology to the RJDC and fashion a pro-ALPA screed when a group of Northwest pilots sue their union for exactly the same thing? Of course, the larger question is: will Occum's head explode in a dichotomy of mutually exclusive ejaculate?

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