I've discovered Netjets 10 year plan!

[AftCG182]

This is kinda like te people who have a flight delayed or get cancelled becasue of bad weather.

Bentover -- There is a reason FO, CA and Avantair are now growing -- and it is not from many new customers to private aviation. It is from owners leaving NJ.

Very accurate statement. In our especially tough times, (let's hope that the fallout from this latest stock market plunge is minor), the value that Avantair presents is especially appealing. Netjets is a GREAT product, but pricey. Times dictate the need for a value-driven service provider.

Needless to say, there will most likely be "reverse fallout" when the markets recover and stabilize.

Best of luck ot all of us.

 

[BentOver]

Very accurate statement. In our especially tough times, (let's hope that the fallout from this latest stock market plunge is minor), the value that Avantair presents is especially appealing. Netjets is a GREAT product, but pricey. Times dictate the need for a value-driven service provider.

Needless to say, there will most likely be "reverse fallout" when the markets recover and stabilize.

Best of luck ot all of us.

I agree Avantair is probably a much more sound investment for a select number of individuals in a very specific market.... (And I say this without knowing the range or even the noise level of a Piaggio) But I assume for a stage length of 2 hrs or more it wouldn't be something all would want to be in?? Just speculating of course. .... Here's to hoping this weeks market is nothing more than a blip and temporary setback

 

[hangarrat]

Bent, i think everyone on here can agree with you about hoping this is a blip. This blip, if continued will impact all of our high end services.

 

[ProFracPilot]

Have fun with that. Fact is, a recovery at NJA is much faster than anyone else can offer. The stranded thing, happens much more often with smaller companies also. Its a matter of size, more planes, better chance of recovery. Thats why even at NJs worst, the others have never beaten the recovery time. The grass is always greener. Go find out for yourself. Our recurrent is strife with stories of owners stranded in the Caribbean with a hurricane on the way, with the others unwilling to pick them up. Netjets to the rescue.

Have fun finding this out.

I find it curious that for years when NJAowner was extolling the virtues of his NJ share, all the NJ pilots on FI loved him. Now, not so much. I thought he was a straight shooter then and I think he is a straight-shooter now.

Read and heed.

There is a substantial market share of fractional owners who, for them, "service" (not the NetJets name) is the differentiator. For these folks it is the total owner experience that matters and they are ripe for picking. The fact that NJ probably has more airframes than all of their competitors combined is only part of this equation, and it certainly does not guarantee exemplary service.

 

[jonjuan]

I agree Avantair is probably a much more sound investment for a select number of individuals in a very specific market.... (And I say this without knowing the range or even the noise level of a Piaggio) But I assume for a stage length of 2 hrs or more it wouldn't be something all would want to be in?? Just speculating of course. .... Here's to hoping this weeks market is nothing more than a blip and temporary setback

A "select number of individuals in a very specific market" is actually quite large. They operate 55 aircraft which equates to the single largest light jet fleet in the industry. Can the aircraft do NYC-South Florida? If so, that's a big market and certainly more than 2 hours. I think most would rather be in it than an ultra or bj as its larger.

 

[glasspilot]

I just threw in a flight plan for 4 pax using today's winds from BOS to PBI with a 1200 departure flying the Atlantic Route.

Total time: 3:35 with a 10 kt avg headwind
Burn: 2,087

I used an alternate of FLL with a 220 lbs burn.

All of this fits on a P180 and would be a legal flight.

 

[NJAowner]

ProFracPilot -- BINGO!

There is enough, overly ripe , low hanging fruit at NJ that one's marketing plan should be just to get some of that -- and all the other fracs will easily meet their most optimistic sales numbers.

 

[sshrae]

I just threw in a flight plan for 4 pax using today's winds from BOS to PBI with a 1200 departure flying the Atlantic Route.

Total time: 3:35 with a 10 kt avg headwind
Burn: 2,087

I used an alternate of FLL with a 220 lbs burn.

All of this fits on a P180 and would be a legal flight.

3:35 from bos to pbi? Wow, i thought that thing was supposed to be fast.

 

[BentOver]

If Netjets is losing so many owners to the other fractionals.. Why aren't they all recalling/hiring like crazy? (some have recalled but I wouldn't call it a frenzy) I realize NJA is losing owners but I haven 't seen any hint of a mass exodus to the door yet.... If NJA furloughs another couple hundred I may be more believing....but the fact they haven't "yet" is a telling sign of how things are hanging on.....

We know they wouldn't really keep them all on property if they didn't need them....

 

[BentOver]

3:35 from bos to pbi? Wow, i thought that thing was supposed to be fast.

No kidding... I've done that from LA-NY......That's a 2 hr flight in a jet.

 

[wacoflyr]

3:35 from bos to pbi? Wow, i thought that thing was supposed to be fast.

That's pretty quick when you consider that it's a turboprop. But hey, I'll bite.

What do you fly? Do the Fltplan thing and tell us the numbers. I believe the example was for four pax. Be sure to include that fuel burn! Will you beat us? Probably. But not by much. Will you burn more, even considerably more? Definitely.

By the way, our cabin is very, very quiet.

 

[wacoflyr]

If Netjets is losing so many owners to the other fractionals.. Why aren't they all recalling/hiring like crazy?..

We are hiring just as fast as we can. The two sims are the choke point, and they are working at all hours. We have two new hire classes in August. Let me know if you need details about how to apply.

 

[NJAowner]

If NJ furloughs, it may send the message to current owners and potential owners that the ship is not on course, especially when the others are hiring/recalling. Perception is very important in sales.

 

[glasspilot]

Okay, I dropped the alternate and planned back to BOS at FL300.

3: 05 flight time and 2,149 burn. If you're going to blast my numbers it's only fair to share yours.

 

[BentOver]

We are hiring just as fast as we can. The two sims are the choke point, and they are working at all hours. We have two new hire classes in August. Let me know if you need details about how to apply.

ahh words of a man who is on top.. Try not to gloat too much, if you've been around any length of time you would know that all good things come to an end. Lemme know when you're pushing 30+ through class a month...Sorry though I couldn't afford the job.. My mortgage/Utilities is more than SIC's take home....

Owner....That was the same rational used before the first round of furloughs.."They won't furlough because of perception.." I really don't think NJA has much more positive perception to lose. Sokol took care of that...

Glass>>>> I can only tell you about the plane I flew..That would be less than a 2 hr. leg. (Or right at 2 hrs.) at around 3500lbs.......maybe around 200 gallons more... but save more than an hour in flight....Depends on how much that hour is worth it to the owner and at what cost.

I never said Avantair was a bad company, or the Piaggio is a bad airlpane.... I simply think that there are those that wouldn't have use for Avantair due to their flying characteristics.

 

[glasspilot]

Glass>>>> I can only tell you about the plane I flew..That would be less than a 2 hr. leg. (Or right at 2 hrs.) at around 3500lbs.......maybe around 200 gallons more... but save more than an hour in flight....Depends on how much that hour is worth it to the owner and at what cost.

It's a 1,140 nm flight. If you do it in 2 hours you're doing 570 true average. To offset the departure and arrival you'd have to best 600 kts enroute Say, what rocket sled were you flying exactly that does that with a 200gal extra burn. I bet I could sell that! How sure are you about that "less than 2 hrs"?

Again, anyone want to post real numbers and not just, "I sorta think it takes X amount of time"? I used a real plane with today's real winds.

 

[hangarrat]

Bent, You are absolutely right, the piaggio isnt for everyone. Not everyone is on a budget. I know of plenty of jets that are faster, and some bigger. I just dont know too many as big, as fast and as economical as the mighty P180.

What are you flying ?

 

[hangarrat]

Again, anyone want to post real numbers and not just, "I sorta think it takes X amount of time"? I used a real plane with today's real winds.

For a head to head face off, lets run fltplan.com stock numbers on a date, say June 1 to ensure boeing winds are used. BOS to PBI. State your altitude, time and fuel burn.

Also, for a fair cost comparison, post your aircraft base price.

That way everyone can verify each others numbers.

On your marks... Get set... GO!!!

 

[jonjuan]

LOL-it appears avantair is taking over the FI frax page. What happened? What's next, an AvantAirWife poster? Or maybe Glass could put on a Mop wig, shave his legs, pay $10 and get it going.

 

[hangarrat]

LOL-it appears avantair is taking over the FI frax page. What happened? What's next, an AvantAirWife poster? Or maybe Glass could put on a Mop wig, shave his legs, pay $10 and get it going.

Glass wouldn't look good in drag, funny, but not good.