It's official...ASA to operate UAX

[NoJoy]

I thought UA was Coke Zero?

 

[Cpt Oveur]

I had to reread the announcement, but Skywest, INC was awarded this flying. Guess what happens when ASA throws PBS out? Yes, that's right boys and girls, they take the flying from ASA and give it to Skywest. This will be leverage in the contract negotiations and for PBS.

Thirty turboprops for United? Any guesses? The q400 or ATR can carry more than the Mesa Dash 8's out of Denver. What happens when/if Mesa goes bankrupt?

 

[EngineOut]

I had to reread the announcement, but Skywest, INC was awarded this flying. Guess what happens when ASA throws PBS out? Yes, that's right boys and girls, they take the flying from ASA and give it to Skywest. This will be leverage in the contract negotiations and for PBS.

Thirty turboprops for United? Any guesses? The q400 or ATR can carry more than the Mesa Dash 8's out of Denver. What happens when/if Mesa goes bankrupt?

I really think this is prepositioning SkyWest, Inc. to takeover that Mesa flying (Dashes in DEN, and -200s in ORD). Which would, asI understand it, put Mesa in bankruptcy. Then, the rest of the Mesa United stuff would be up for grabs as well -- ASA gets all the IAD flying, SkyWest gets all the flying from ORD to points west.

I can see SkyWest loaning money to UAL as a hedge against JO offering to renegotiate rates below his cost to keep the UAL flying. This potential Mesa tactic has been identified by some of our management as a likely scenario in the event United gives notice to cancel/not renew.

 

[EngineOut]

I had to reread the announcement, but Skywest, INC was awarded this flying. Guess what happens when ASA throws PBS out? Yes, that's right boys and girls, they take the flying from ASA and give it to Skywest. This will be leverage in the contract negotiations and for PBS.

Thirty turboprops for United? Any guesses? The q400 or ATR can carry more than the Mesa Dash 8's out of Denver. What happens when/if Mesa goes bankrupt?

I don't know what ASA's announcement says, but they have edited all on our side. They've deleted all mention of large turboprops and Q400s from the iShare and internal company release. That's kinda' odd, huh?

 

[LazyLightnin']

What's this crap I hear about the only ones who get United pass benefits are the ones doing the flying? If you're doing the United stuff, do you lose the Delta benefits as well? If not, that's horse hockey.

 

[dash8driver64]

I will take delta bennies over united bennies anyway. not alot to get excited about.

 

[777forever]

This couldn't be true!

ASA's on the way out!

Flying will never come to ASA before Skywest!

ASA is the redheaded step child!

Delta's buying ASA Back!

We're the next Comair!

We won't find a home for the 20 200s

More furloughs in the spring!

Another Shrinking Airline!

There's NO WAY we'll get growth with PBS, we're too expensive!

We'll never get 900s!

Doom Doom Doom, mixed with lots of gloom gloom gloom!

Oh wait.....


Skywest INC continues to silence doubters when it comes to efficiently running a regional operation.

 

[great cornholio]

What's this crap I hear about the only ones who get United pass benefits are the ones doing the flying? If you're doing the United stuff, do you lose the Delta benefits as well? If not, that's horse hockey.

Unless Delta beenies have changed drastically since I was living with some CHQ guys a few years ago you will want to keep your Delta bennies. The UAL bennies suck big time. They have added all kinds of fees. Can easily cost you 100 bucks to go round trip across the country. Since they tax the fees. "buddy passes" should be renamed "enemy passes" since they add the fees on top of the pretty much higher than standard buddy pass prices. Each city pair is a diff price and the buddy pass is charged by the leg. Most of the times you can get full fare tickets on other airlines for cheaper than the buddy pass.

 

[aircombat]

They didn't say anything about bases, just that the flying will be concentrated around IAD and ORD. This means that we could have EITHER an ORD or an IAD base...or none..?

SH in RGT today said that we would probably start out with a IAD base with about 25 crews.
When asked if there would be any furlough recalls due to this he gave a definite NO.
When asked if PBS would have anything to do with that he also said no. But several sentences later he said PBS would reduce pilot need which is a good thing because of the "future pilot shortage". I don't know how long they can try to sell this pilot shortage thing before we catch on. I fear too long. But also if the laws of supply and demand still apply a shortage would be a good thing for pilots. At least we would have the bargaining power back.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

SH in RGT today said that we would probably start out with a IAD base with about 25 crews.
When asked if there would be any furlough recalls due to this he gave a definite NO.
When asked if PBS would have anything to do with that he also said no. But several sentences later he said PBS would reduce pilot need which is a good thing because of the "future pilot shortage". I don't know how long they can try to sell this pilot shortage thing before we catch on. I fear too long. But also if the laws of supply and demand still apply a shortage would be a good thing for pilots. At least we would have the bargaining power back.

There is a shortage coming. The economy and the age 65 rule just delayed it a little while. Many pilots retiring, and few pilots in training = shortage. It is just a matter of when.

 

[aircombat]

There is a shortage coming. The economy and the age 65 rule just delayed it a little while. Many pilots retiring, and few pilots in training = shortage. It is just a matter of when.

well even if there is a shortage coming. that's a good thing for pilots not a bad thing. You can come back and we can talk about PBS when there is a shortage.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

well even if there is a shortage coming. that's a good thing for pilots not a bad thing. You can come back and we can talk about PBS when there is a shortage.

PBS is a good thing too. Why are we still scheduling using old technology for bidding? ALPA made PBS sound bad for years, and now they are in favor, and digging out of the mess they created.

 

[aircombat]

PBS is a good thing too. Why are we still scheduling using old technology for bidding? ALPA made PBS sound bad for years, and now they are in favor, and digging out of the mess they created.

I can't say why ALPA would flip flop on this issues. I do know that they work on votes so they will support the majority at the time. Even if it is detrimental to the future of the profession and thats been proven many times over. The funny thing is about 50% of the pilots say they want PBS because they don't like being integrated even though PBS is like having the whole month as integration.

 

[OCP]

The funny thing is about 50% of the pilots say they want PBS because they don't like being integrated even though PBS is like having the whole month as integration.

What? Think about what you just wrote.

 

[aircombat]

What? Think about what you just wrote.

yup
integration = days that the company can assign trips that you did not bid on
PBS = the whole month they can assign trips that you may not like in order to make you more "efficient".

yes I know you get to request certain parameters but really you are giving them all of the control.

 

[OCP]

Its the system (PBS) sorting all the preferences that assigns the trips, not some "crew planners" deciding who gets what trip in whatever order they decide.
I don't know how long you have been here, but have you ever wanted to plan something for the first 3 days of the month? Can't. Its integration and you don't know if your working or not.

 

[aircombat]

I didn't say that integration doesn't suck. I know it does. Why can't we negotiate a contract that has only a small percentage of lines have integration?

 

[hou757]

So I take it this is not the RFP that has been out. Guessing that is still to be announced?!

 

[maxcackel]

yup
integration = days that the company can assign trips that you did not bid on
PBS = the whole month they can assign trips that you may not like in order to make you more "efficient".

yes I know you get to request certain parameters but really you are giving them all of the control.

I DEMAND that all further conversations about PBS for ASA on this board be discussed with the information given in two scenarios. 1st being how what is being discussed will effect the top 30%. 2nd on how it will effect the bottom 30-40%. Because most of what people with good things to say about pbs is only how it will effect the top 30. OK continue.

 

[Data]

Sorry guys but we've already had one pilot shortage, when you hire a lot of folks with 250 hours, it's a shortage. There was a pretty deep supply chain last time around (after the furloughs are back at some airline) the next time will be different because the training pipeline is dry. It may take a while, but we will be back to this when the economy comes out of this current cycle.