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it does not change the fact that if most of us were in that same situation we would have opened the door, had the passengers exit the AC and forced the airport to deal with the problem.
 
it does not change the fact that if most of us were in that same situation we would have opened the door, had the passengers exit the AC and forced the airport to deal with the problem.

Of course all of you were there and know the facts first hand. At least you have ALL the facts and every tidbit of information the captain had or didn't have to consider. Lacking stairs and a life or injury threatening emergency, I likely would not have deplaned either. Loose on the ramp is also not my idea of a safe place for any passenger of typical intelligence.
 
I likely would not have deplaned either. Loose on the ramp is also not my idea of a safe place for any passenger of typical intelligence.


...and therein is the difference between Captain and lemming.
In this world there are "yes" people and ""no people".
'Problem solvers' and 'problem makers'.
You lack testicular fortitude.
If, and when, you attain a level of testosterone to accept responsibility for your choices instead of fear of consequence, then you will ready to Captain a plane with passengers.
 
it does not change the fact that if most of us were in that same situation we would have opened the door, had the passengers exit the AC and forced the airport to deal with the problem.

I have to agree! As a DX'er I have had to divert flights to godforsaken places...we all have. There's no way I would have allowed those passengers to remain onboard for that amount of time. Where was their dispatcher in all of this???
 
What, evacuate the airplane without stairs? Emergency exits? You've now had what the NTSB calls an incident. An elderly gentleman breaks an ankle during the 'emergency evacuation'. Guess what? The NTSB calls this an accident. You WILL answer for that. Not only that, but the accident was solely due to a decision on your part. You're not authorized on this ramp much less escort passengers- TSA gets involved. Now, take the crash axe so you can break into the locked terminal and scuffle with dumbass ramper who happens to be there even though the terminal is closed. Wait for police to arrive.

Sounds to me like she MADE the tough call.
 
I have to agree! As a DX'er I have had to divert flights to godforsaken places...we all have. There's no way I would have allowed those passengers to remain onboard for that amount of time. Where was their dispatcher in all of this???
What does he care? His flight is on the ground, he's given his pass down to the overnight guy and has gone home to his own comfy bed.
 
I have to agree! As a DX'er I have had to divert flights to godforsaken places...we all have. There's no way I would have allowed those passengers to remain onboard for that amount of time. Where was their dispatcher in all of this???

He was probably searching for the end of the internet....
 
The first of many how much better of a pilot I am than the XJT crew in Rochester, MN. I bet XJT, with its own CHARTER OPERATION (unlike most regionals) never thought of this.

Call the FBO, see what time it closes. It is hard to unload at an FBO that has no one on duty, or so I have heard.

Signature closes at normal business hours unless requested to stay open by an inbound crew or company. Guess what, the XJT crew did not call, so I guess they are at fault. That was sarcasm and so is this. They should have know they were going to divert at 12 o'clock in the morning and planned ahead to tell Signature in RST.

Oh yeah, and the stairs they happen to have that fits an EMB-145XR, gosh XJT crews are mornons.

Next?

It's nice to see ya sticking up for a fellow JungleJet driver!! Here is a small fact about Signature Flight Support. They do have 24 hr. ops. Most do have stairs that'll work with an ERJ.

Rochester International Airport
Executive Terminal
7300 Brataas Dr SW
Rochester, MN 55902
Phone: 507.282.1717 | Fax: 507.282.9939
ARINC: 122.95
Email: [email protected]
Fuel Brand: AvFuel
Open: 24 hours/7 days a week

One of the lessons learned here is if others tell a captain what to do then it's still the captain's authority to decide the saftey and well-being of the crew and it's pax. We will never know what a call placed to 911 would have resulted in. That would have been funny to see a few fire trucks and police arrive at the airport. At least the crew is off the hook and we can all bet the crew will never let themselves get pushed around again.

I still like to see at least one pax, if not all, file false-imprisonment charges against Mesaba and it's station folks who played a part in this situation. That would be funny too.
 
So to all the members of this forum on this thread, that blasted this crew, and gave us THEIR own prolific analogy of how awesome they are, and how awesome of a job they would have done, it is time to apologize. In the end, it was just as it sounded to be from the beginning, it was NOT THE CREW that caused this situation. I have seen only a few actually eat their words on a different thread. It is time for those of you who think their sh!t does not stink to finally admit you are no better than MSNBC, CNN, FOX, etc., on reporting facts. You are so smart, and have such knowledge, we should bow down to you when you approach the jetway. I am looking forward to all of the "well........the crew should have....ah........" Sad, no wonder our career is gone now, it is people like the ones on the thread below that have brought us to this point. What is bad for someone else, is good for me. An old saying comes to mind, " he who cast the first stone in a glass house." A.K.A, that means STFU till the facts are know. Again see the thread below of the best in our industry. Then read the PRESS RELEASES below that.

The best pilots in the world thread
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=124973


The truth
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/...4_FORTUNE5.htm

http://www.kttc.com/Global/story.asp?S=10969169

Note: This is not direct at everyone on the above thread, just the best of best who know who's fault it was and what they should have done.

FAR Part 1 Defines pilot-in-command as follows: Pilot in command means the person who: (1) Has final authority and responsibility for the operation and safety of the flight; (2) Has been designated as pilot in command before or during the flight; and (3) Holds the appropriate category, class, and type rating, if appropriate, for the conduct of the flight.



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