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[UnAnswerd]

Does anyone here NOT have a 4-year degree, and flying or not, do you consider yourself doing alright???

 

[AngelKing]

Only High School diploma here. Haven't missed a flying paycheck in 30 years.

Own nice home, nice car, several toys to play with. Do spend a lot of time on the road though.


AK

 

[avbug]

I've mentioned it before, but I have no degree. I won't say it hasn't hindered me, but only in areas I didn't want to go.

Most of the jobs I do aren't interested in what's on paper, only in what you can do.

I've started the ERAU distance learning program, and have an associate underway in aircraft maintenance, but neither is complete, and each gets dropped frequently due to work load and duties. My only purpose for either is an example to my kids. At some stage when they want to bypass their education, at least I'll have something to show them when then say "but dad, you didn't do it."

They'll be partially correct, but something to show to encourage them is better than nothing.

I should add that I would never encourage someone NOT to seek a formal education...though I'm of firm belief that true learning takes place in the field.

 

[English]

UnAnswerd, rule #1 around flightinfo -

Don't give pilotyip any more bait!

 

[starvingcfi]

no degree. doing fine.

 

[BankAccount=0$]

No degree and doing fine for now. With that said, I am currently looking into some sort of distance learning program. I've found that people do always seem to ask where you went to school when when you meet them for a trip, and they usually look surprised when you tell them you don't have a degree.

Good luck degree or not......................

 

[njcapt]

23rd year senior in college. I'd have to say that the lack of a degree has only kept me from getting hired at TWA in their last couple of years (thank God) and United. Neither of which I regret. If ATA sh!ts the bed, it might become an impediment. I've been taking correspondence courses from Thomas Edison and ERAU sporadically for the past six years and now that I'm not negotiating anymore, I'll probably push to get the degree completed in the next 18 months or so.

 

[atlcrashpad]

Still working towards it

Went High School to Flight School (US Army WOFT). Working towards my Degree ever since. Still at it. Getting closer every year.

 

[FreightNazi]

High school only here. In fact only a 1.7 HS GPA! I would say that I'm doing quite well, thank you!

 

[TonyC]

High school only here. In fact only a 1.7 HS GPA! I would say that I'm doing quite well, thank you!

Ummm... anyone looking at your last dozen or so posts might disagree.







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[semperfido]

Does anyone here NOT have a 4-year degree, and flying or not, do you consider yourself doing alright???

why are you asking? are you trying to justify why you don't need to get one. if at all possible, i would make an effort to go through a degree program. of course, you don't need to have one to succeed, but you will be gad you did down the road.

 

[UnAnswerd]

why are you asking? are you trying to justify why you don't need to get one. if at all possible, i would make an effort to go through a degree program. of course, you don't need to have one to succeed, but you will be gad you did down the road.

Not trying to justify it by any means. Was just wondering. One day I'd like to get a degree myself, whenever time and money will allow...

 

[pilotyip]

Honest!, Unanswered is not my alter ego. But this goes to confirm that you can make it in aviation without having a degree. Nothing wrong with getting one on the side, never can tell it migfht open doors after you have logged your 1000 hours TJ PIC. But the best way to make it in aviation is to fly airplanes, you will be logging TJ PIC by the time you are 23.

 

[English]

.... you will be logging TJ PIC by the time you are 23.

Not part 121 or 135 you won't.

Who is going to hire a 21 year old pilot to be a PIC in jet equipment in a part 91 operation?

 

[semperfido]

Not trying to justify it by any means. Was just wondering. One day I'd like to get a degree myself, whenever time and money will allow...

make it a priority.

 

[Dr Pokenhiemer]

I got an Associate Degree before I went into the Army, tried to finish while on active duty but kept getting deployed. I'd say I'm doing pretty good now. Got a nice home, 2 new vehicles, a bass boat, and just got a Harley yesterday!! Things are finally coming together after YEARS of sacrificing and doing without. You guys know what I mean.

 

[pilotyip]

English to log 135 TJ PIC you need only a Comm ticket only, plus 135 mins and type rating of course. Plus I know of a Pinnacle PIC who starting flying Captain at age 23 when they got their ATP. They are floating around the 135 business, and they started right out of high school, some are doing their degree on the side.

 

[Goose Egg]

I know I've said a lot on this subject already, but since the topic has been breeched yet again...

I'd say that it is definitely possible to be a successful pilot, or anything else for that matter without a college degree, the obvious exceptions being professions such as doctor, lawyer, accountant, etc. I firmly believe that a person can do anything that they put their mind to. This is not always what I have said in the past; I've revised my thinking a bit.

However, I will say that I am very glad that I completed my undergrad degree--my current job required it, and the job that I'd like to end up doing also makes it a "show stopper" (Not the airlines, yip, in case you are wondering.) I'm also glad that I have the opportunity to further my knowledge and skill through the master's program that I'm in now. I have already seen a lot more opportunities open up that wouldn't have had I skipped college. Education will never hurt you.

There you go. Everybody should decide for themselves whether they should go to college or not. My hope is that they choose wisely.

-Goose

 

[viper548]

Some presidents didn't finish high school. Some millionaires didn't finish elementry school. You're still better off getting a degree. Having a degree will open some doors for you that wouldn't be available without one.

 

[Ill Mitch]

Not part 121 or 135 you won't.

Who is going to hire a 21 year old pilot to be a PIC in jet equipment in a part 91 operation?

It is rare, but it happens. I know three pilots who got left seat of a TJ when they were 23. Two 121 (one was a DC-9), one 91.

 

[mar]

Times change

Here's the thing:

My grandparents came to this country basically illiterate and they owned a house, a car and raised a family.

My parents had a high school education and owned a house, a car and raised a family.

I have a four-year degree and live out of a suitcase.

Take that as you will.
Good luck.

 

[Vector4fun]

I have a four-year degree and live out of a suitcase.

That that as you will.
Good luck.

Yeah, but the Family Court Judge will normally let you keep your suitcase....

 

[FreightNazi]

Here's the thing:

My grandparents came to this country basically illiterate and they owned a house, a car and raised a family.

My parents had a high school education and owned a house, a car and raised a family.

I have a four-year degree and live out of a suitcase.

Take that as you will.
Good luck.

Not that I usually agree with PilotYIP, but on this issue I do. I decided not to go to college and instead start flying professionally after high school. I got a job flying checks and on my 23rd birthday took my ATP/Learjet type/Lear 135PIC check at the same time. I continued to fly there for a couple of more years after which I got a job at my current employer, a very successful logistics company synonymous with a dark color!

If I went to college, I probably would have fallen into the trap of getting a job at a regional and trying for one of the pax majors. I'm very happy that I chose my route instead.

I'm pretty confident that I'm the only person from my high school graduating class with a 1.7 GPA that is making in the mid $200,000s!

 

[Goose Egg]

I continued to fly there for a couple of more years after which I got a job at my current employer, a very successful logistics company synonymous with a dark color... I'm pretty confident that I'm the only person from my high school graduating class with a 1.7 GPA that is making in the mid $200,000s!

Well, if it's the same logistics company that I'm thinking of, you likely had some help from the "inside," and your education, or lack thereof, probably wasn't much of a corollary.

Don't get me wrong here--good on ya for networking! I'm just saying that as a general rule we shouldn't necessarily associate forgone education with six figure incomes (or unforgone education for that matter... Is unforgone a real word?)

But I totally agree with you on the whole "regional and going for a pax airline" thing, although I doubt going to college would have "railroaded" you that way. I have a BS and will have a masters, and I'm not going that route.

-Goose

 

[FreightNazi]

Well, if it's the same logistics company that I'm thinking of, you likely had some help from the "inside," and your education, or lack thereof, probably wasn't much of a corollary.

Don't get me wrong here--good on ya for networking! I'm just saying that as a general rule we shouldn't necessarily associate foregone education with six figure incomes.

But I totally agree with you on the whole "regional and going for a pax airline" thing, although I doubt going to college would have "railroaded" you that way. I have a BS and will have a masters, and I'm not going that route.

-Goose

I'll be the first person that says get the most education that you can get. But for me, college wasn't my thing and I'm fortunate to be in my current position. What gets me is that SOME on this board (mainly those from the expensive aviation universities) say that you CAN'T get a job at a major without a college degree. Maybe they say that to justify to themselves spending all of daddy's money or being in debt up to their eyeballs, but that sentiment is out there.

 

[Superpilot92]

You seem really proud of your 1.7 Highschool GPA. Congrats

 

[FreightNazi]

You seem really proud of your 1.7 Highschool GPA. Congrats

I should be, I worked hard to get it!!!!

 

[Goose Egg]

What gets me is that SOME on this board (mainly those from the expensive aviation universities) say that you CAN'T get a job at a major without a college degree. Maybe they say that to justify to themselves spending all of daddy's money or being in debt up to their eyeballs, but that sentiment is out there.

Yeah, I've noticed that too, and have felt that same way in the past (although I most certainly did not go to an expensive academy.) I think it was probably wise of you to recognize that in your individual situation, you did not need college to meet your goals. I know for me, I doubt I would even have the same goals had I not been to college, and I definitely wouldn't be working where I am now, which is a job that I enjoy greatly.

So, perhaps the safest thing to say on the matter is that some of us need college to be a success, and some of us don't. It is up to the individual to be the judge of that.

I should be, I worked hard to get it!!!!

That's freakin' hilarious! And I'm pretty lucky my high school GPA wasn't down there too--all I did was eat, sleep, and ski.

Edit: And the only thing that I regret from high school is that I didn't ski more.

-Goose

 

[421Driver]

I have a degree, and I'm flying a BE20 135 PIC. Started in that plane when I was 24. I believe many others here have/are doing the same thing. Still banging on doors for the right corporate job.

 

[starvingcfi]

i agree. shouldn't associate forgone education with six figure incomes. then again, you can't rule it out. the degree may/may not open doors. it depends on the route you take. personality/flying ability/previous experience goes a long way. everyone takes a different route. who knows where you're going to end up? in the end, it's about being happy. it's about having fun.

if you look back on your life and were miserable, what was the point? i dropped out of college to start flying. i was tired of school. i hated going to class. i wanted to fly. i quit and moved to florida to instruct. did that for 15 months and fell a$$backwards into a 135 multi job in mass. did that for 2 yrs, now i'm flying hawkers. upgrading next month...at 24. i'm happy. if i had finished my degree (would've been miserable) and gotten an airline job (would've been miserable) i would have a miserable life.

more power to you $19K/yr airline f/o's but i just couldn't do it. not b/c i have a family to support. b/c i never really wanted to be poor again. i ate enough ramen and tuna while i was instructing. never again.

basically i'm just saying don't let people make you think you HAVE to have a degree to be successful. i used to think that. not anymore. so i might not get that ups job i wanted. i'll settle for a part 91 G-V.

flame away stewballs. f-ing prick. :-D