Is US Airways east a bottom feeder?

[TWA Dude]

That's fine, you can deny, deny, deny. You're reaching.

I can't believe I actually bothered to read your entire post. I thought maybe, just maybe, you'd have some facts to present instead your rehashed fantasy-land opinion. Terribly disappointing. One thing made me laugh out loud though:

USAirways was voluntary--not forced.

That's like saying being forced to resign is voluntary. You're almost as funny as St. Nic.

I can see why you would want to cling to the Niccolau award like grim death.

I know, wanting to abide by a binding arbitration is a danger sign of desperation.

If you're really not an East pilot then why in the sam hill are you their apologist? Even pilots who support DOH integrations recognize the Easties' lack of integrity. What's your excuse?

 

[PuffDriver]

WOW!!! PuffDriver must get all of his/her facts straight from Thuer himself! Talk about towing the USAPA party line. Keep telling yourself those lies/half truths over and over. Eventually they will sound like the truth, just like OJ thinks he did not kill Nicole because he has said it so many times. Man up and live with the agreements you have made, vote no forever as far as I am concerned, but stop the Hoffa style goon crap from USAPA. You sound like a person trying to say walking away fron your mortgage was the banks fault cause my house is worth less now than five years ago, who signed the papers?

Sorry bud, not a USAPA pilot. Nothing like throwing in the tried and tested OJ argument. Nope my mortgage is bought and paid for.

That's like saying being forced to resign is voluntary. You're almost as funny as St. Nic.

Not really the same thing now, is it. You jetstream drivers disappoint me. One thing about the stream, it teaches you to survive--kinda like the USAir pilots have been doing.

I know, wanting to abide by a binding arbitration is a danger sign of desperation.

If you're really not an East pilot then why in the sam hill are you their apologist? Even pilots who support DOH integrations recognize the Easties' lack of integrity. What's your excuse?

I know, I know. You don't call in sick when you aren't really sick. You don't take questionable deductions on your taxes. You never PFT, you never bought a type rating. Everyone in the world is always so innocent when pointing fingers at others. Pretty much everyone doesn't hold up their end of the bargain at one time or another. IMO everyone's ethics is questionable at one time or another. Perhaps we should keep to the factual data. What law have the east pilots broken? When were the AWA pilots going to conduct transoceaonic operations with their immense widebody fleet, yet had access to them a mere 4 months after the list was published after heavy lobbying to overturn the age 60 rule? I guess the second half of that question goes right back to that ethics thing again, doesn't it???

 

[spitfire1500]

His dream has turned into a nightmare!
Imagine, you're flying for Polar Air Cargo, all around the world, and take a job at a bottom feeder like Airways only to get paid "less than" a Republic pilot. He's too busy-------->:crying:
According to APC starting pay on the 737/airbus is.......Wait for it-----------> Yup, a staggering $25/hr! No wonder, he's been "B-atch'ed.":laugh:

I talked to a USAir guy a few days ago leaving for Polar /Atlas. A 73 driver.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

I talked to a USAir guy a few days ago leaving for Polar /Atlas. A 73 driver.

Congrats to him. Airways east is a cesspool.

 

[Carl S.]

PuffDriver, if not a USAPA Faithful, then why the hard line stance? Almost anyone with any legal sense knows the East pilots are trying to back door themselves out of their mess thru dirty legal tricks that reeks of desperation. I did not say you are walking from your mortgage, but the East pilots are walking away from their mortgage and are lowlifes for trying to do it!!! About 5% of former AWA pilots were for age 65 and very few want the widebody flying if PHL is required, but if PHX is PSA'ed all bets are off and somebody who was greeting at Walmart in 2005 when this merger went down should hit the streets again if needed before any active pilot follows behind them.

 

[St. Nic]

No, the east pilots are in a FIGHT to restore integrity and sanity to this perfession! You west boyz have no clue how far out of touch you are with how things have worked long before you got your student pilots license.
USAPA was elected for a reason- ALPA failed in keeping the established principles of Date of HIre as the cornerstone of our profession and now WE (east pilots) are on a crusade to restore that. You guys make a lot of people sick in this industry.

 

[St. Nic]

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When is this going to happen? Do you have a decade in mind?

within a year bucko. Just watch.

 

[Bringupthebird]

The east has their longevity - but seniority isn't longevity. The reward for longevity is a bigger payrate. Seniority is how many pilots are below you.

So again- are you saying that a furloughed east pilot should have leapfrogged an AWA pilot who had a job?

Mr. Nicolau wasn't given the task of developing a Longevity Integration, he was to develop a methodology for Seniority Integration which means that both sides seniority had to be considered equally valuable and it had to meet the predetermined goals outlined in the Transition Agreement.

 

[PuffDriver]

PuffDriver, if not a USAPA Faithful, then why the hard line stance? Almost anyone with any legal sense knows the East pilots are trying to back door themselves out of their mess thru dirty legal tricks that reeks of desperation. I did not say you are walking from your mortgage, but the East pilots are walking away from their mortgage and are lowlifes for trying to do it!!! About 5% of former AWA pilots were for age 65 and very few want the widebody flying if PHL is required, but if PHX is PSA'ed all bets are off and somebody who was greeting at Walmart in 2005 when this merger went down should hit the streets again if needed before any active pilot follows behind them.

I don't necessarily agree with the path that they have taken. I don't necessarily not agree with the path they have taken. I think that we can agree that they have not done anything illegal. They could have stayed in ALPA, tubed every TA that came their way, and still not done anything illegal. Would they still be scum in your eyes? I also said that we have probably all at one time or another conducted ourselves in a less that completely ethical fashion.

Saying that very few AWA pilots "want the widebody flying if PHL is required" is another red herring--for they will, either right away or eventually. Fact is that they DID have access to it almost immediately from the time the list was handed out--yet they had no bluewater ops expectations, save Hawaii maybe. That is the fact, and it does not follow the spirit of ALPA merger policy, IMO. So should binding truly mean binding if the outcome arguably does NOT pass a litmus test?

Not a USAPA faithful, more of an ALPA merger policy opponent.

 

[reepicheep]

I don't think you grasp the mentality of people, pilots in particular, who live in the west. Very few native westerners want any part of PHL, widebodies and higher payrates included. The line headed west will be a lot longer than the one headed east, if they ever do combine the thing, and they will be willing to pay a premium in pay, seat, and equipment if need be. Those who can generally speaking want to live where the weather's nice. It's just basic demographics, not so much a AWA/AAA thing. How many pro athletes live in AZ/CA/NV vs. the northeast?

 

[charlie2]

Not to hijack this thread, and yes we are the bottom feeder, anyone know what the profit sharing will be? Only a WAG here but about 4K?

 

[LearLove]

Not to hijack this thread, and yes we are the bottom feeder, anyone know what the profit sharing will be? Only a WAG here but about 4K?

FWIW 4K is what has been kicked around out on the line. After taxes I guess about 3K to be paid in March is what I hear.

 

[charlie2]

Thanks...it will help a little!! The company just posted a list of pilots and how many months they are elegible for profit sharing. It's on the USAPA web site.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Hi job stealer.

No, the east pilots are in a FIGHT to restore integrity and sanity to this perfession!

Maybe you could start by understanding legally binding....

You west boyz have no clue how far out of touch you are with how things have worked long before you got your student pilots license.

Is that before, during or after your 19 year furlough?

USAPA was elected for a reason-

Yup, to abbrogate an arbitrators decision, the arbitrator the EAST chose. So far how's that working out for ya? Your salary + food stamps helping out? Or did you send mcdu out for a second job?:laugh:

ALPA failed in keeping the established principles of Date of HIre as the cornerstone of our profession and now WE (east pilots) are on a crusade to restore that.

What principles were that. The ones that put a furloughed pilot in front of a working pilot? Riiiiiight. Enjoy LOA 93, those stellar payrates and your reserve position on the 190 are making you......Well, less than a mesa pilot!:laugh:

You guys make a lot of people sick in this industry.

You're right, those east pilots are in the same class of people as the 1983 hires at CAL!

 

[clr4theapch]

We getting tired of the reported posts, the attacks on people and sarcastic remarks... is there no one left willing to carry on a decent discussion without the flame throwning.. ?

For those doing the reporting..please if it does not violate the TOS please dont report it.. if your tired of a peticular members antics or attitude, there is a very nice "ignor" feature you can add that member too... you won't even see his/her post...

 

[Lear70]

For those doing the reporting..please if it does not violate the TOS please dont report it..

Ditto that.

I don't mind GENUINE ToS violation reporting, that's what we're here for, but the reporting is getting a little ridiculous.

 

[LearLove]

FWIW 4K is what has been kicked around out on the line. After taxes I guess about 3K to be paid in March is what I hear.

Another note on the profit sharing. I see the list that has everyone's monthly 2010 service. I think this is wrong. The money allocated to pilots should be divided evenly among all the pilots (east/west) regardless of furlough or not. The pilots on furlough count just as much as those of us that were lucky enough not to be furloughed.

Greed in this profession never ceases to amaze me.

 

[charlie2]

Another note on the profit sharing. I see the list that has everyone's monthly 2010 service. I think this is wrong. The money allocated to pilots should be divided evenly among all the pilots (east/west) regardless of furlough or not. The pilots on furlough count just as much as those of us that were lucky enough not to be furloughed.

Greed in this profession never ceases to amaze me.

I agree. I worked the whole year but I would choose that every pilot whether furloughed or recently recalled get an even share.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Another note on the profit sharing. I see the list that has everyone's monthly 2010 service. I think this is wrong. The money allocated to pilots should be divided evenly among all the pilots (east/west) regardless of furlough or not. The pilots on furlough count just as much as those of us that were lucky enough not to be furloughed.

Greed in this profession never ceases to amaze me.

Writing a check to cover the health insurance of east-only furloughees has been tough to swallow (especially with no accountability from USAPA), so could you explain the concept of "counting just as much" to me?

 

[Carl S.]

A system to give out the profit sharing was reviewed by East pilots only/USAPA and that is the system to be used. If pilots that did not work(Medical/LOA/Fur.) to make the profit, the system does not reward them. Fair or not fair to each person, just like the SLI, it is the system for 2010 profits and is too late to change now, where were you when the East only ad hoc group was seeking input?