Is US Airways east a bottom feeder?

[say again]

....Yeah a "dream world" that does not include the pathetic land-grabbing West pilots!!!

:bawling::bawling::bawling:

Keep on dreaming!!:laugh:

 

[PuffDriver]

From M-W.com definition 3 of viable
c (1) : having a reasonable chance of succeeding <a viable candidate> (2) : financially sustainable <a viable enterprise>

Which definition of viable do you use?


In 2005 US Airways was in its second bankruptcy in three years, with no DIP financing and no exit plan even being discussed. All analysts expected imminent liquidation. Absent the AWA buyout exactly what alternative was there? Be specific. Your opinion isn't sufficient.

Nobody has DIP financing in place when they go BK. Red Herring argument. DIP financing grew on trees in 2005. 2 Bks in 3 years, and you don't think that there was something behind the second? Please. Ch7 is not viable. Ch11, most definitely.

 

[PuffDriver]

Perhaps you need a reading lesson.
Wasn't ALPA made up of us air pilots? Didn't US AIR pilots give up their pensions?
Also, I said brink of chapter 7.
And how is it that 10 of their 190's have already left the property? We'll see if the rest stay
I realize you have a vested interest in that POS airline, I'm just calling a spade a spade. And no, I don't work there, nor could I afford the paycut to work there. The place is a cesspool and need to just go away. Hopefully the West will find a much more desirable dance partner where the pilots aren't out to screw them.

The USAir MEC gave up their pensions in Ch11 without allowing their membership to ratify such an action--probably knowing full well that the membership would vote it down, given their age. Instead of stepping in with guns loaded, ALPA national-along with a few other larger airlines-took your advice and decided that their pensions would be safer without USAir in the picture. No national action. Complete inaction. Of course today we can see the result that some of us could see coming a mile away. 3 of the big 4 lost their pensions as well or had them frozen.

10 planes left the property, after all of the above including the SLI. There was a reason for that as well, not that I would expect you to research why. I mean, how much time could you actually have for research with your spouting here??? I have no interest in that POS airline other than to learn that just because scope thinks an airline needs to go out of business for the good of him, it does not mean that that airlines' pilots feel the same way. I also learn that no airline is infallible, no matter how much of that "cream of the crop" jizz they feed them.

I'll take the airline with international presence, solid hubs at DC and NY, and a lock in CLT over a leisure fare airline with no future and no fight--other than to change the age 60 rule--I notice you neglect to address those little nuggets.

Your spade is not a spade

I'm out.

 

[Guppiedriver]

--other than to change the age 60 rule--I notice you neglect to address those little nuggets.

Your spade is not a spade

I'm out.

The America West pilots changed the age 60 rule. I'm impressed!

 

[Scope out RJ's]

The America West pilots changed the age 60 rule. I'm impressed!

Don't confuse him with facts, it gets in the way of his man crush on usapa.:blush:

Your spade is not a spade

Um, yes it is.

I'm out.

Feel free to stop back when you have less time............and facts.:laugh:

 

[TWA Dude]

The USAir MEC gave up their pensions in Ch11 without allowing their membership to ratify such an action--probably knowing full well that the membership would vote it down, given their age.

Do you know why USAir lost its pension? Because that's what happens in bankruptcy -- whether the pilot group approves it or not. I'll say that again: your pension was gone one way or another. In bankruptcy you often only have two choices: give concessions voluntarily and maintain some control over the process or let the courts do it for you. You voted in your representatives and they did they best job they could (or at least thought they could) to protect you. There's little point in voting on some issues. In this case the pilot group would've voted to screw itself.

I'll take the airline with international presence, solid hubs at DC and NY, and a lock in CLT over a leisure fare airline with no future and no fight...

In 2005 AWA's future was apparently a lot brighter than US Air's. Several Easties quit, yes I said quit US Air to come to AWA. In this business you make your choices and hope for the best. Time will tell if you're decision was as smart as you brag it was.

 

[spitfire1500]

Starting Pay $1750.......I made more than that flying a Cessna as a CFI...years ago!! LCC East is definately the Mesa Airbus Division!!

 

[reepicheep]

Anyone who thinks usair has a "solid presence" in NY had better go up there and take a look around. For an airline that "owns the northeast", it's becoming a bit hard to find an Airways jet at EWR/JFK/LGA. CLT - possibly the weakest O & D hub in the country. Not much to crow about. The truth is you had a good second - tier hub at PHL and a strong focus city in DCA, along with a modest international division. You're talking a 120-plane regional airline if you boil it down.

 

[Flying Horses]

Starting Pay $1750.......I made more than that flying a Cessna as a CFI...years ago!! LCC East is definately the Mesa Airbus Division!!

That statement is just plain wrong...

Starting pay in the first year if hired on the E-190, which is where most new hires go, is $41/hr - that's about $3100-$3500/month., depending on hours flown.

Starting pay (first year) is $3000/month flat salary if you start on the B737 or Airbus.

 

[TWA Dude]

Nobody has DIP financing in place when they go BK.

TWA did in 2001. US Airways did once AWA was announced as a buyer. Airlines that can't afford to self-finance need a DIP. US Airways needed one.

Red Herring argument. DIP financing grew on trees in 2005.

Did you intend to contradict yourself? Might wanna re-write that last sentence to something that makes sense.

2 Bks in 3 years, and you don't think that there was something behind the second?

That's it? That's your whole basis for arguing USAir had another plan for viability in 2005? Boy, you sure weren't on any debate club in high school. And yes, I do think there was something behind the second: the terrible financial state of US airways.

Please. Ch7 is not viable. Ch11, most definitely.

You need to take a remedial finance class or something. Claiming an airline in Ch11 automatically means it's viable is nonsensical.

Your revisionist version of the history of US Airways is debunked.