Is US Airways east a bottom feeder?

[say again]

The purpose of this thread is..........

I'm guessing to show how crappy the place is.

 

[St. Nic]

After we get our LOA93 snap backs we will have the last laugh- and it will be even better once the west gets bought by Republic. Have fun with your relative seniority westies! I will be enjoying our attrition and better life than any of you can imagine.
Scope, you are a dweeb

 

[Turtle21]

Yeah thats probably it. Couldn't be the list he put in his post it's probably a js issue.

Naw. Not nearly enough of a negative to explain his words of endearment.

Probably was a USAir pilot that got furloughed back in 2001.. then hired by AWA.. and then was simply overjoyed at seeing that NIC saw fit to catapult him above 1,600 pilots at USAir who had once upon a time been senior to him when he was on the USAir original list.

Nic was so good to him and was going to give him payback for all those mean guys who were senior to him and voted to allow his furlough.

Oh, the horror.

 

[Flybywire44]

What have they done in the last 10 years besides bring the industry down?
· Lowest starting pay in the industry. Starting pay is $1750/month. The west pays over $1000 more than that as a new hire.
· First in the industry to giveback their pensions.
· First in the industry to take major concessions.
· First airline to charge for beverages on domestic flights.
· Last in the industry in pay on the 190(16 year cpt pay on the 190 makes less than a Republic pilot).
· Last in the industry in pay on the 737/A320 (16 year captain makes less than a 5 year Southwest f/o, while the first year pay is $25/hr, only $2/hr more than Republic).
· Last in the industry in vacation (7 days after 8 years of employment)
· 2 bankruptcies in less than 5 years.
· A bogus union who doesn’t recognize the term “final and binding.”
· Stabbed their fellow west pilots in the back after they rescued them from the brink of chapter 7 liquidation.
· Chose arbitration for a SLI.
· Chose the Arbitrator for the SLI.
· A CEO who did time in a “woman’s prison.”
· People (and I use that term loosely) like st. nic and mcdu as their spokespersons.

US Airways East is an embarrassment to the industry. They should have disappeared a long time ago, but America West saved them and their company. They truly are a bottom feeder of the industry. I don’t see how they can be called a “legacy carrier.” The only legacy they are leaving is that they are a disgrace.

US Air could merge with SWA in 5 years for all you know. USA will definitely be the shortest upgrade of any legacy.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Is " USAirways a bottom feeder ", you ask ?


Did the 3 little pigs cry "weee- wee- weee " all the way home ???

PHXFLYR

 

[cactusboy53]

After we get our LOA93 snap backs we will have the last laugh- and it will be even better once the west gets bought by Republic. Have fun with your relative seniority westies! I will be enjoying our attrition and better life than any of you can imagine.
Scope, you are a dweeb

You gotta love a guy that knows the glass is half full. Keep clicking them ruby shoes Dorothy.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Nic was so good to him and was going to give him payback for all those mean guys who were senior to him and voted to allow his furlough.

"Vote to allow furlough"? That statement alone is so rich with the hubris, arrogance and dependence on misinformation that makes USAPA the gatekeeper of the bottom feeder.

And Cleary conveniently can't find the keys!

 

[Scope out RJ's]

You gotta love a guy that knows the glass is half full. Keep clicking them ruby shoes Dorothy.

The good news for him, after his long day of working for "lower than" Republic type wages flying that 190, mcdu is there to rub out his stress when he comes home to his trailer...........:laugh:

 

[PuffDriver]

What have they done in the last 10 years besides bring the industry down?
· Lowest starting pay in the industry. Starting pay is $1750/month. The west pays over $1000 more than that as a new hire.
· First in the industry to giveback their pensions.
· First in the industry to take major concessions.
· First airline to charge for beverages on domestic flights.
· Last in the industry in pay on the 190(16 year cpt pay on the 190 makes less than a Republic pilot).
· Last in the industry in pay on the 737/A320 (16 year captain makes less than a 5 year Southwest f/o, while the first year pay is $25/hr, only $2/hr more than Republic).
· Last in the industry in vacation (7 days after 8 years of employment)
· 2 bankruptcies in less than 5 years.
· A bogus union who doesn’t recognize the term “final and binding.”
· Stabbed their fellow west pilots in the back after they rescued them from the brink of chapter 7 liquidation.
· Chose arbitration for a SLI.
· Chose the Arbitrator for the SLI.
· A CEO who did time in a “woman’s prison.”
· People (and I use that term loosely) like st. nic and mcdu as their spokespersons.

US Airways East is an embarrassment to the industry. They should have disappeared a long time ago, but America West saved them and their company. They truly are a bottom feeder of the industry. I don’t see how they can be called a “legacy carrier.” The only legacy they are leaving is that they are a disgrace.

Holy cow, man. You put some work into that post. Just looking at all of the different font HTML code.

I'll address some of these, as an outsider:

-Lowest starting pay in the industry. Somehow I doubt it. Ya still have MESA out there and the likes. Starting pay is what it is, at every airline

-First to give back their pensions. Point of clarification--major failure of ALPA here, at the National level. First, the MEC of USAir allowed the giveback without any kind of membership ratification. None, zero, zip. As an airline with a significant elderly population, my guess is that the MEC knew what that vote would be. IMO, the pilots would have fallen on their sword and tubed the whole airline. meanwhile, you had the rest of the industry, including my airline, salivating over the pickings that would be left when USAir went away. Who are the scumbags again who tried to leave a fellow ALPA group out to dry, only the ALPA group did not cooperate and went into survival mode. That's what REALLY happened. Blame the USAir guys all you want, but I think you are pointing the gun in the wrong direction.

-First in the industry to take major concessions. See the previous paragraph. Done in a BS BK designed to be the point of the spear to spread through the industry--which it did. Blaming the pilots for this? Not quite.

-First to charge for beverages. OK. Point taken.

-Last in 190 pay. Couple of points here. First, your right. Second, BK rates, kind of like Delta only a bit more severe. 3rd, they have successfully kept the planes on property. We'll see if the rest of the industry follows suit

-Last in pay/vacation. Yup. BK sucks. Two BKs suck worse, no doubt that USAir played the BK card to a T. Ever went back and checked why?

-Rescued in CH7. Complete BS. USAir was a viable company when AWA "bought them". AWA had the option of watching USAir "liquidate", and snatching up the pieces, yet they didn't? USAir "went" Bk twice in an astoundingly short period of time. There is no doubt in my mind the reason for the second one. It's obvious to anyone with any kind of knowledge about the industry. USAir was down, but far from out. The financials since the merger speak volumes about the "viability" of each side.

-"binding arbitration", choosing arbitration, choosing the arbitrator. Been argued to death here and elsewhere. Choose a side. You'll choose the west, I'll choose neither. I've little doubt in my mind that the west got an extremely favorable ruling. Arbitration rules of engagement were not followed by the arbitrator, again IMO. SO is binding indeed binding? Yes for some, not so much for others. and so it goes.

--CEO in jail. Yep, scumbag. Where did he come from again?

--poor spokesmen. Yup no argument there. Taking your cues about an airline from an anonymous board leads me to question your judgement. West side has just as many, so does Delta, SWA, AA, UAL.

Is the East a drag down on the industry? Currently, I would agree. However, a look over recent history shows the East side as an enviable airline for a fair amount of time, and indeed they have some outstanding qualities in their contract despite it's deficiencies, and they also had one of the best contracts ever pre-911. Shortly after 9/11, the winners and losers were chosen by the powers that be, rather than being fiercely represented as they should have been. You can always turn the tables and look at the West side. What have they EVER done to raise the bar in the industry instead of having NO pension, low pay, poor contracts, and leading the charge to change age 60?

I think that your anger is misplaced. JMO.

 

[B-atch]

Just another WEST pilot "hissy" thread...yawn.....