Is the Piaggio a two man crew or not?

[myrealnameis]

Sure..... People who wish they were flying a jet can deceive themselves fairly easily. A shame.

How can you tell a jet pilot in a room full of pilots...........you don't have too, they'll tell you.

 

[DO-82 driver]

Or...if they're CS pilots they'll all be quiet for fear of ticking off their fellow pilots and thus jeapordizing their upgrade.

 

[Mr. Pebbles]

How can you tell a jet pilot in a room full of pilots...........you don't have too, they'll tell you.

If flying a jet is of no importance to anyone, why is there such bickering and jockeying for position every time your pathetic company TRIES to bring a jet on board? Oh, I can answer that- jet time is what brings the bacon home.

The P180 is an awesome airplane- I've flown it a little and I like it. That being said, jet performance is different than " jet like performance."

On a different note, word is that the new money people over there are trying to get rid of your CEO. Any update on that?

 

[Dilligaff]

Hmmm... I wasn't here when the Premiers came on board but I don't recall any "bickering and jockeying" when the Astra came. Can you give us some specific examples of this "bickering and jockeying" that went on when the Astra was brought on board? Since it happens "every time" I'm sure you can provide a plethora of examples.

Dilligaff

 

[Mr. Pebbles]

Hmmm... I wasn't here when the Premiers came on board but I don't recall any "bickering and jockeying" when the Astra came. Can you give us some specific examples of this "bickering and jockeying" that went on when the Astra was brought on board? Since it happens "every time" I'm sure you can provide a plethora of examples.

Dilligaff

I could, sir, but I can tell by the tone of your post that it would be wasted on you, so I won't bother.

If Avantair ever brings a fleet of jets on board, hire all the pilots that you need for them off the street and keep your current pilots in the Piaggio, and you'll find out real fast that flying a turboprop is not what most people aspire to. :beer:

 

[brewerdog]

how bout that Twin Otter, now thats one fast turboprop, the dash 8 is up there too or the q400 (http://www.q400.com/)

 

[myrealnameis]

I could, sir, but I can tell by the tone of your post that it would be wasted on you, so I won't bother.

If Avantair ever brings a fleet of jets on board, hire all the pilots that you need for them off the street and keep your current pilots in the Piaggio, and you'll find out real fast that flying a turboprop is not what most people aspire to. :beer:

I think once the luster of any aircraft wears off at the end of the day its all about how much you are paid and the QOL for which you make it.

While I don't agree with some of the things you you say on this forum, and I'm sure likewise is also true. I do have to admit you have been correct to a certain extent on some of the rumors and questions you have asked. You have made many valid points and made observations that many have missed. With that said I believe we have many outstanding pilots and all have a stake in it being a stable and profitable company, after all we all have bills to pay and mouths to feed. While your comment of a "pathetic company" was offensive to many of us who still work here, I do believe you also would like to see this company succeed.
cheers

 

[Dilligaff]

I could, sir, but I can tell by the tone of your post that it would be wasted on you, so I won't bother.

Translation: You have no clue if this "bickering and jockeying" went on. If I'm wrong, please give specific examples. Truthfully, I think this is just another example of you going out of your way to badmouth our company in any way you can regardless if there is any truth to it or not.

Dilligaff

 

[Mr. Pebbles]

I think once the luster of any aircraft wears off at the end of the day its all about how much you are paid and the QOL for which you make it.

While I don't agree with some of the things you you say on this forum, and I'm sure likewise is also true. I do have to admit you have been correct to a certain extent on some of the rumors and questions you have asked. You have made many valid points and made observations that many have missed. With that said I believe we have many outstanding pilots and all have a stake in it being a stable and profitable company, after all we all have bills to pay and mouths to feed. While your comment of a "pathetic company" was offensive to many of us who still work here, I do believe you also would like to see this company succeed.
cheers

An intelligent and insightful post. I have known and still know many outstanding pilots at your company. As a pilot, I have no wish to see any company fail. When I said " pathetic company", I should clarify that to mean the lying, stupid jerks that are in upper management. I'm glad to hear that steps are being taken to weed them out.

cheers back

 

[Mr. Pebbles]

Translation: You have no clue if this "bickering and jockeying" went on. If I'm wrong, please give specific examples. Truthfully, I think this is just another example of you going out of your way to badmouth our company in any way you can regardless if there is any truth to it or not.

Dilligaff

You can tell by my above post that I'm not an unreasonable person. The bickering and jockeying, phone calls, and bull******************** that have gone on in relation to who flies what and many other issues would more than clutter up many pages in this forum.

You've said yourself that you havent been there long enough to know everything, and that's the smartest thing you've said. I don't badmouth anybody unless it's warranted. Translation: You don't know squat.

 

[Dilligaff]

All I'm asking for is specific examples of how our pilot group was bickering and jockeying to fly the Astra but you keep dodging the question - it's not a hard question to answer as long as you're telling the truth. And I didn't say I wasn't here long enough - what I did say was I wasn't here when the Premiers came on board, so I can't speak for the bickering and jockeying that may or may not have happened then. But I was here when the bid went out for the Astra and I didn't see and of this bickering and jockeying that you know so much about. Again, please give us specific examples of how all of this bickering and jockeying went down when we got the Astra since it happens every time we bring a jet on board (your words - not mine).

Dilligaff

 

[Mr. Pebbles]

All I'm asking for is specific examples of how our pilot group was bickering and jockeying to fly the Astra but you keep dodging the question - it's not a hard question to answer as long as you're telling the truth. And I didn't say I wasn't here long enough - what I did say was I wasn't here when the Premiers came on board, so I can't speak for the bickering and jockeying that may or may not have happened then. But I was here when the bid went out for the Astra and I didn't see and of this bickering and jockeying that you know so much about. Again, please give us specific examples of how all of this bickering and jockeying went down when we got the Astra since it happens every time we bring a jet on board (your words - not mine).

Dilligaff

God, you weary me. I don't want to air your company's dirty laundry in public again. I'm putting you on my ignore list until you have something interesting to say- and no, it's not because I don't have the goods- I just don't have the energy and I don't care. Good- bye.uke:

P.S. You don't have to sign your name to your posts- it's already in the top left hand corner.

Annoying, aren't I? Too bad I won't see your reply, you're on my ingnore list. Maybe I'll check back in a month or so to see what you folks are chattering about then.

 

[Corona]

Annoying, aren't I?

Yes.

C

 

[Dilligaff]

Maybe I'm on the ignore list, maybe I'm not. I'm still wondering how putting a bid out for an airplane and having the pilots selected on the basis of seniority combined with the hourly mins set by the owner equate to jockeying and bickering. I know three of the selected pilots personally and they all had less than 1 year of seniority when they were awarded the airplane, so it hardly seems any weaseling was involved. I'll firmly declare that you don't have the goods to back up your statement, nor do you have the balls to admit it - coward. You say you don't want to air our dirty laundry on here, yet you never hesitate to badmouth us at every opportunity. It's sad that someone who is as well-spoken as you wish nothing but ill-will upon our company and it's employees. Sad, indeed.

Dilligaff

 

[Mr. Pebbles]

Yes.

C

Good. Mission accomplished.